Homebrew PCBs

What temperature does Ferric chloride need to be heated too for 
improved etch times?

Thanks,
 Phil

About 50 degree celsius (if i remember correct).
There is a temperature above it gets dangerous (fumes or so).

Use google, i'm sure you will find the exact temperatures.

stefan

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:17:22 -0000, Moore <pminmo@...> wrote:

> What temperature does Ferric chloride need to be heated too for improved 
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In general most chemical reaction rates double every 10 
degrees centigrade increase. Not sure if this applies to 
ferric chloride etching. I remember CuCl2 bubble etching 
taking some 30 to 40 minutes minuets to chew through 1 oz 
copper at 8\ufffdC.


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>  Phil
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In a message dated 10/13/2003 4:19:10 PM Central Standard Time, 
pminmo@charter.net writes:
What temperature does Ferric chloride need to be heated too for 
improved etch times?
Phil: 

I have not yet read others' opinions, but I use the nasty stuff (FeCl³) for 
ALL my "one-each" non-PTH work, and HERE's your answer:  Room temperature 
"works", if kinda slowly.  If you heat the stuff before use, 50°C will make it work 
MUCH faster.  I'd be afraid to go OVER that, not so much because it may-well 
then exude noxious fumes, but because it'd melt the adhesive of the resists, 
and then it'd eat EVERYTHING off your blank!

If you MUST use a microwave to warm the etchant, know this:  The stuff is 
VERY electrically-conductive, thus the first few mm. of it work as a "radio-freq. 
shield", so only that first few mm. get hot!  The container will quickly get 
too hot to hold, so, "nuke" it for, say, 15 sec., then stop and "swish" it 
around a bit, and nuke it another 15 sec.  Do this for a total of a minute, until 
you know "what works", and then increase the total time "per the math", if 
necessary.  BE VERY CAREFUL!  If the container breaks open and spills that nasty 
yellow stuff all down your wife's white kitchen-furniture and the insides of 
HER microwave, I don't wanna be in the same State!  

Jan Rowland


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>From: Adam Seychell <adam_seychell@...>
>Reply-To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
>To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Etchant Temperature
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:01:35 +1000
>
>In general most chemical reaction rates double every 10
>degrees centigrade increase. Not sure if this applies to
>ferric chloride etching. I remember CuCl2 bubble etching
>taking some 30 to 40 minutes minuets to chew through 1 oz
>copper at 8\ufffdC.

I have the etchant container i n a larger container partly filled with 
boiling water from the kettle. The temperature of the etchant is probably 
about 60C on average. With continuous agitation and fresh etchant it takes 
less than 10 mnutes to etch a board.

Leon
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Greetings,

We use 60�C (140�) to 65�C (149�F) with aggressive compressed air agitation.

Higher etching temperatures result in shorter etching times with less 
undercutting.

Thanks, Ned

Ned Seith
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