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Double sided cold toner transfer experiment

2016-01-29 by duwaynes@...

I had been very happy with the results I had using the cold toner transfer method, and wanted to see if I how it would work doing a double sided board. I did not have a way of doing a video recording of the process but took a few pictures that I posed on my blog. The results were much better than I had ever been able to get using the hot method with a laminator. Hole registration was very good from side to side, which was always the problem that I had using the hot method.

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RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Double sided cold toner transfer experiment

2016-01-30 by Nuno Tavares

NICE!

 

Have tried the single side cold method myself with very good results.
Looking at your double sided results, I guess the laminator has had it. :-)

 

Nuno T.

 

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I had been very happy with the results I had using the cold toner transfer
method, and wanted to see if I how it would work doing a double sided board.
I did not have a way of doing a video recording of the process but took a
few pictures that I posed on my blog.  The results were much better than I
had ever been able to get using the hot method with a laminator.  Hole
registration was very good from side to side, which was always the problem
that I had using the hot method.

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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Double sided cold toner transfer experiment

2016-01-30 by Malcolm Parker-Lisberg

DuWayne

Very nice "How to".
Just a point, on the ground plane side, if there is no track or connection, why bother adding a pad, then alignment will be even less crytical.

Malcolm

I don't suffer from insanity I enjoy it! 
Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin 
The writing is on the wall. 
Ha-ktovet al ha-kir

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       I had been very happy with the results I had using
 the cold toner transfer method, and wanted to see if I how
 it would work doing a double sided board.  I did not have a
 way of doing a video recording of the process but took a few
 pictures that I posed on my blog.  The results were much
 better than I had ever been able to get using the hot method
 with a laminator.  Hole registration was very good from
 side to side, which was always the problem that I had using
 the hot method.
 
 DuWayne's
 Place: Double sided cold toner transfer
 experiment  
   
     
    
     DuWayne's
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 Double
 sided cold toner transfer experiment I was very happy with
 the boards I made using the cold toner transfer method, and
 wanted to see how ...     
   
 
 
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Double sided cold toner transfer experiment

2016-01-30 by duwaynes@...

This was more of an experiment with doing a double sided board using cold toner transfer. The board was just one that I had ready to etch, and I wanted to check what kind of registration I could get with the cold toner method. When I build the board I will probably use a drill bit and remove the unneeded pads by hand .
DWayne

RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Double sided cold toner transfer experiment

2016-01-31 by Malcolm Parker-Lisberg

What about using the laminator on cold to bond the toner to the board instead of burnishing ?

Malcolm

I don't suffer from insanity I enjoy it! 
Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin 
The writing is on the wall. 
Ha-ktovet al ha-kir

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 NICE!
 
 
 
   
 
 Have
 tried the single
 side cold method myself with very good results. Looking at
 your double sided
 results, I guess the laminator has had it…
 J
 
 
 
   
 
 Nuno
 T. 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 I had been very happy with the results I
 had using the cold toner transfer method, and wanted to see
 if I how it would
 work doing a double sided board.  I did not have a way of
 doing a video
 recording of the process but took a few pictures that I
 posed on my blog. 
 The results were much better than I had ever been able to
 get using the hot
 method with a laminator.  Hole registration was very good
 from side to
 side, which was always the problem that I had using the hot
 method.
 
 
 
 DuWayne's
 Place: Double sided cold toner transfer
 experiment 
 
 
 
 
      
   
      
   
    
   
      
   
   
   
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Double sided cold toner transfer experiment

2016-01-31 by rolohar@...

Malcom Parker: 

Good Idea: 

I use a rubber roller.......looks something like a paint roller, only smaller and with a rubber roller instead of 
fuzzy felt. 

If I had a laminator, I would use it with no heat, just to apply even pressure across the surface. 

One pass should be sufficient. 

Regards, 

Roland F. Harriston, P.D. 
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What about using the laminator on cold to bond the toner to the board instead of burnishing ? 

Malcolm 

I don't suffer from insanity I enjoy it! 
Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin 
The writing is on the wall. 
Ha-ktovet al ha-kir 

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Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Double sided cold toner transfer experiment 
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2016, 11:34 AM 




















NICE! 





Have 
tried the single 
side cold method myself with very good results. Looking at 
your double sided 
results, I guess the laminator has had it… 
J 





Nuno 
T. 












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de 2016 19:31 

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Subject: 
[Homebrew_PCBs] Double 
sided cold toner transfer experiment 










I had been very happy with the results I 
had using the cold toner transfer method, and wanted to see 
if I how it would 
work doing a double sided board. I did not have a way of 
doing a video 
recording of the process but took a few pictures that I 
posed on my blog. 
The results were much better than I had ever been able to 
get using the hot 
method with a laminator. Hole registration was very good 
from side to 
side, which was always the problem that I had using the hot 
method. 



DuWayne's 
Place: Double sided cold toner transfer 
experiment 














DuWayne's 
Place: Double sided cold toner transfer 
ex... 


Double 
sided cold toner transfer experiment I was 
very happy with the boards I made using the cold toner 
transfer method, and 
wanted to see how ... 








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on kv4qb.blogspot.com 



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by Yahoo 














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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Double sided cold toner transfer experiment

2016-01-31 by casy_ch@tbwil.ch

Hi Roland

A good idea with the cold laminator, I never thought of it. Thank you.

By the way the roller you are using is a roller to apply ink on linoleum 
carvings. Probably available in a craft store at your end.

Rgds

Jean-Claude


Am 31.01.2016 um 02:18 schrieb rolohar@... [Homebrew_PCBs]:
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> Malcom Parker:
>
> Good Idea:
>
> I use a rubber roller.......looks something like a paint roller, only 
> smaller and with a rubber roller instead of
> fuzzy felt.
>
> If I had a laminator, I would use it with no heat, just to apply even 
> pressure across the surface.
>
> One pass should be sufficient.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roland F. Harriston, P.D.
> ***************************
>

RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Double sided cold toner transfer experiment

2016-01-31 by Andrew Volk

Look for a “brayer.”  It is used for inking, for rolling out laminate to be glued down to counter tops and much more.  The rubber can be of varying hardness, depending on application.  Sounds like a hard rubber would work best.
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Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Double sided cold toner transfer experiment

 

  

Hi Roland

A good idea with the cold laminator, I never thought of it. Thank you.

By the way the roller you are using is a roller to apply ink on linoleum carvings. Probably available in a craft store at your end.

Rgds

Jean-Claude



Am 31.01.2016 um 02:18 schrieb rolohar@... [Homebrew_PCBs]:

  

Malcom Parker:

 

Good Idea:

 

I use a rubber roller.......looks something like a paint roller, only smaller and with a rubber roller instead of

fuzzy felt. 

 

If I had a laminator, I would use it with no heat, just to apply even pressure across the surface.

 

One pass should be sufficient.

 

Regards, 

 

Roland F. Harriston, P.D.

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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Double sided cold toner transfer experiment

2016-01-31 by rolohar@...

Andrew and All: 

Just make sure that the solvent (acetone, xylene, etc) that you are using in your 
cold transfer process is not something that will attack any plastic parts of your 
laminator. Isol alchol most likely will be inert.............but make sure. 

Regards, 

Roland F. Harriston, P.D.
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Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 1:19:19 AM 
Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Double sided cold toner transfer experiment 






Look for a “brayer.” It is used for inking, for rolling out laminate to be glued down to counter tops and much more. The rubber can be of varying hardness, depending on application. Sounds like a hard rubber would work best. 




From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 11:25 PM 
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Double sided cold toner transfer experiment 







Hi Roland 



A good idea with the cold laminator, I never thought of it. Thank you. 



By the way the roller you are using is a roller to apply ink on linoleum carvings. Probably available in a craft store at your end. 



Rgds 



Jean-Claude 



Am 31.01.2016 um 02:18 schrieb rolohar@... [Homebrew_PCBs]: 







Malcom Parker: 





Good Idea: 





I use a rubber roller.......looks something like a paint roller, only smaller and with a rubber roller instead of 


fuzzy felt. 





If I had a laminator, I would use it with no heat, just to apply even pressure across the surface. 





One pass should be sufficient. 





Regards, 





Roland F. Harriston, P.D. 


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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Double sided cold toner transfer experiment

2016-01-31 by rolohar@...

Andrew Volk: 

"Brayer" 

Thanks for the correct name. 

I made mine with a piece of neoprene tubing and a piece of bent round aluminum. 
Knowing the real name of the device, I was able to locate quite a few on Ebay 
made in China for not very much money, and with free shipping. 

Thanks, 

Roland F. Harriston, P.D. 
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From: "'Andrew Volk' amvweb@... [Homebrew_PCBs]" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> 
To: "Homebrew PCBs" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 1:19:19 AM 
Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Double sided cold toner transfer experiment 






Look for a “brayer.” It is used for inking, for rolling out laminate to be glued down to counter tops and much more. The rubber can be of varying hardness, depending on application. Sounds like a hard rubber would work best. 




From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 11:25 PM 
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Double sided cold toner transfer experiment 







Hi Roland 



A good idea with the cold laminator, I never thought of it. Thank you. 



By the way the roller you are using is a roller to apply ink on linoleum carvings. Probably available in a craft store at your end. 



Rgds 



Jean-Claude 



Am 31.01.2016 um 02:18 schrieb rolohar@comcast.net [Homebrew_PCBs]: 







Malcom Parker: 





Good Idea: 





I use a rubber roller.......looks something like a paint roller, only smaller and with a rubber roller instead of 


fuzzy felt. 





If I had a laminator, I would use it with no heat, just to apply even pressure across the surface. 





One pass should be sufficient. 





Regards, 





Roland F. Harriston, P.D. 


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