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I sure hope some one does as I'm really wallowing in "is!" 
and "isn't!" postings and the follow on "I'm not going to talk about 
this any more BUT..." ones.  If it wasn't clogging up the group, I'd 
actually find it amusing.  So, I'll just kick back with an IPA, er 
India Pale Ale, and wait for the dust to s-l-o-w-l-y settle.

Peace
Phil

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:30:02 -0000, Phil <phil1960us@...> wrote:

> I sure hope some one does as I'm really wallowing in "is!"
> and "isn't!" postings and the follow on "I'm not going to talk about
> this any more BUT..." ones.  If it wasn't clogging up the group, I'd
> actually find it amusing.  So, I'll just kick back with an IPA, er
> India Pale Ale, and wait for the dust to s-l-o-w-l-y settle.
>
> Peace
> Phil

Phil,

i must apologize for clogging the group, but i'm a very strange person.
I simply can't, and i mean i really physically can't look away when i
read about someone telling stuff i think is wrong. i will try to proove
him that he is wrong, or have my mind changed by proof provided by him.
I'll basically do this until i'm convinced otherwise, he is convinced 
otherwise,
or he does no longer speak with me ;-).

You can assume what happens if i have a run-in with one of the "free 
energy" guys
and trying to point a measuring error out..... I must avoid these guys or 
i need
help soon ;-)

well, good luck..

ST

only on that particular subject, Stefan. It is called the art of 
letting it go... Frankly, I know what I know and you know what you 
know and I am just too lazy to convince you otherwise.

Mike


-- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Trethan 
<stefan_trethan@g...> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:30:02 -0000, Phil <phil1960us@y...> wrote:
> 
> > I sure hope some one does as I'm really wallowing in "is!"
> > and "isn't!" postings and the follow on "I'm not going to talk 
about
> > this any more BUT..." ones.  If it wasn't clogging up the group, 
I'd
> > actually find it amusing.  So, I'll just kick back with an IPA, er
> > India Pale Ale, and wait for the dust to s-l-o-w-l-y settle.
> >
> > Peace
> > Phil
> 
> Phil,
> 
> i must apologize for clogging the group, but i'm a very strange 
person.
> I simply can't, and i mean i really physically can't look away when 
i
> read about someone telling stuff i think is wrong. i will try to 
proove
> him that he is wrong, or have my mind changed by proof provided by 
him.
> I'll basically do this until i'm convinced otherwise, he is 
convinced 
> otherwise,
> or he does no longer speak with me ;-).
> 
> You can assume what happens if i have a run-in with one of 
the "free 
> energy" guys
> and trying to point a measuring error out..... I must avoid these 
guys or 

> i need
> help soon ;-)
> 
> well, good luck..
> 
> ST

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:32:53 -0000, mikezcnc <eemikez@...> wrote:

> only on that particular subject, Stefan. It is called the art of
> letting it go... Frankly, I know what I know and you know what you
> know and I am just too lazy to convince you otherwise.
>
> Mike

Well, i can't help your laziness. I'd like to be convinced (even off list),
but if you won't do it i must be convinced by all the scientific papers.

ST

don't worry, about it, I enjoy it to the fullest and I do not want to 
change that comfortable for me state of inner happieness. Do you know 
why I am happy? Because I found a technique that allows me to make 
PCBs like we always wanted to- the way the laser printer works (you 
feed the paper and it comes out - printed), the way the scanner works 
(you feed the paper and - comes out as a scan of Marlyn Monroe, for 
example). With Gootee paper and H200 laminator I just feed the paper 
with the PCB (from ebay- thank you for the hint while back...) and I 
HAVE IT in a mater of seconds. Stefan, to me it is a dream come true. 

For a person that wants a quick PCB of predictable and repeatable 
quality this is a nirvana come true and I know you wholeheartedly do 
agree with me, like every other member on this fine board s well as 
the boys in a copperclad room. 

You know Stefan how hard I tried for months to follow the info from 
this group and from the internet- nothing worked (everybody out there 
claims being able to make TT boards but some of them have half inch 
traces...). And now suddenly it does work and everyone who knows how 
to read, knows it too, specially that Tom will publish the info about 
H200 on his website, I trust.

We all can congratulte ourselves that WE were able to push the 
envelope of TT. Would I be able to do it myself without you? Of 
course not. Without Tom's website? Of course not. But all together WE 
DID CAME UP with a new technique for using TT. We should be happy 
about it, us grumpy engineers. How do you think the PCB mfrs feel 
when they read it? Do they truly laugh?! I doubt it.

Ok, let me add to it, that I value highly Jeremy's comments on 
thruhole plating from yesterday and today. Frankly, Markus's setup 
intimidated me too much but both of them were crucial to my 
understanding of the subject. Maybe one of us will publish something 
in few days that will make it even simpler.. I don't doubt it, that 
someone else already out there already figured it out, like Jeremy 
did.

As far as that bloody IPA goes, I don't have anything more than 
stories right now and I truly am not interested in finding more to 
prove them. Anybody has access to internet searches and I am sure 
it's out there. The mere fact I wanted to drop that discussion is 
because I did not want to trash this bord with more comments, whcih 
attract even more comments, even less needed.  Mike

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Trethan 
<stefan_trethan@g...> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:32:53 -0000, mikezcnc <eemikez@c...> wrote:
> 
> > only on that particular subject, Stefan. It is called the art of
> > letting it go... Frankly, I know what I know and you know what you
> > know and I am just too lazy to convince you otherwise.
> >
> > Mike
> 
> Well, i can't help your laziness. I'd like to be convinced (even 
off list),
> but if you won't do it i must be convinced by all the scientific 
papers.
> 
> ST