Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "Wade" <bloomer@...> wrote:
 
> The adaptive limiter basically acts like a loudening brickwall 
limiter. Something like a 
> Waves L1-3, or EA's Finis. Most typically you'd put it across your 
whole mix at the last 
> stage to increase the volume of the whole thing slightly, and such 
processes always 
> involve a degree of sound colouration. Except for explicit effect, 
you wouldn't put the ad-
> limiter on an individual track, and that ain't its purpose anyway.
> 
> The regular limiter does not offer a brickwall ceiling. It seeks to 
limit the volume of an 
> indivual track as it approaches a certain level you set, at a speed 
and with a sensitivity 
> which you also set. The basic goal is to catch hot transients on 
the track, and if you pull 
> those down a little, you can typically turn the volume up on that 
track a bit. But if the 
> whole track is really hot all the time, the post-limiter level can 
still jump up past the goal 
> level you set. That's what I mean about it not being a brickwall. A 
brickwall limiter will 
> never ever let the volume go above a level you explicitly set.
> 
> For regular mix purposes - you'd always just use a regular limiter 
on individual tracks, not 
> the ad-limiter.
>

Thanks for the detailed response. 
Since my clipping does not occur on the bass channel, but rather this 
bass channel is causing the MAIN OUTPUT to clip, I understand that I 
need to use the Limiter on it (the channel) instead of a compresor 
and the Ad-Limiter on the output as I already have. However what 
should I do in order for my output not to clip WITHOUT the Ad-
Limiter? Of course the normal answer is to bring the whole output mix 
down which is what I have done until there is no clipping and then 
add the Ad-Limiter back in to bring up the level I lost. However this 
results to the song being very low in volume compared to normal radio 
mixes. Shouldn't the Ad-Limiter compensate by definition (since it 
uses brickwall) for all the level I lost when I reduced the output 
level slider?

Another approach I have tried is to leave the output level at 0dB and 
reduce the level of all channels the same number of dBs so that their 
relative levels are maintained. With this method, in order to get the 
output not to clip I have to reduce all levels tremendously, which 
again leads to a song of low volume, for which the Ad-Limiter does 
NOT compensate back. It is all due to this one bass channel. 

Do you have any other method of preference that you would suggest or 
do you believe that once I add the Limiter on the bass channel (will 
try it when back tonite) I will be able to maintain my whole mix loud 
without clipping with the output at 0dB and then add the Ad-Limiter 
for the final extra couple of dBs?

Thanx again for suggestions,

Iraklis