Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

On Jan 5, 2005, at 3:42 PM, Charlie Massey wrote:
>  I can't live without my Aural Exciter!  Used with care, there is 
> nothing that makes cymbals
>  and vocals come to life like it does without sacrificing head room.
>
>  And.....I  mix with NS10m's also..... 

You are hardly alone.

> I guess I am committing a double crime! 

Probably.

> However my
>  stuff sounds good anywhere it's played. 

Perhaps they do, but certainly no thanks to your monitors.  I mixed for 
years on NS10s too.

Then I got some Dynaudio Acoustics BM6As and I heard what things 
actually sounded like.

The mixes I do on the BM6As translate to other systems better than the 
ones I did on the NS10s and mixing on the BM6As does not drill holes in 
my skull.

I also can enjoy recreational listening of classical music on the BM6As 
and feel like I am right there in the symphony hall when I close my 
eyes.  Attempting the same with NS10s makes me feel like I am in a 
dentist's chair.



> Part of the reason for the thin bass was that the
>  NS10m's were not on the scene yet and people were mixing with big 
> Altec's, JBL's and such
>  and LOUD.  "There was plenty of bass in the room before we took it 
> home but something
>  happened...... "
>
>  I  got a kick out of the MIX mag testing of nearfield monitors and 
> their non-stop bashing
>  of the Yamaha's but then..... they used the NS10's as a reference!  I 
> don't think they even
>  realized what they did.  In 85% of the pictures or ads of control 
> rooms in MIX, you could
>  always spot a pair of 10m's.

Yes, everybody knows they are an industry standard and that is why I 
have a pair of the ugly little beasts staring at me with their big 
baleful white eyes even as I type this.  They were recognized for years 
as an example of an average crap speaker.  Though once in a blue moon 
somebody does ask to check a mix through them these days in my room 
they mainly serve as gargoyles to remind me what mixing must be like in 
hell.

Though they still can be found in most studios people are finally 
starting to move away from them for several reasons.  For one thing the 
consumer audio industry has evolved and while speakers are still kind 
of shitty it is a different flavor of shit than the NS10s were designed 
to squirt.

Anyway I used to buy into the "if it sounds good on NS10s it will sound 
good on anything" theory until I got some actual decent speakers and 
found mixes I did on them transported to other systems even better than 
the ones I did on the NS10s and I had basically been torturing myself 
for nothing.

I find it amusing to see people drop 40k on a recording system and then 
play back through some $300 speakers that don't even make any sound 
under 60hz.


>  I know I'll get a rant on this but..... if you don't have a pair and 
> you can find a pair, you'd
>  better buy them as they ain't making anymore!

Oh yes, a real "must have..."

>  Charlie
>  P.S. I also listen on a pair of Auratones, some nice Altecs and 
> headphones.

That is the way I used to work too.  Then after I got the BM6As I 
gradually stopped because I found I did not have to do that anymore.  
When I was done on the BM6As I was done period because I knew exactly 
what I had.