Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

On Jan 13, 2005, at 11:11 AM, Kamm Schreiner wrote:

> > I do not know if it is actually true but a lot of people
>  > insist that PCs can be set up to be trouble free, so which
>  > one do I get my mother who mainly cares about not having to
>  > care too much about the problems.
>
>  There are trouble free PCs and trouble free Macs, there are also 
> troublesome PCs and troublesome Macs. It's like buying a car. Every 
> once in awhile someone gets a lemon. I don't care what company you buy 
> from, that is true of all of them.

Disagree.  Problems pop up with macs like for example choking on a 
simple print command or running into some corrupt internet connection 
preferences or whatever  and those of us who have been dealing with 
them for years just deal with them without even thinking because with 
have been dealing with them for years.  Those who haven't on the other 
hand may respond inappropriately and screw the system up a little more. 
Then each time something comes up the fuck it up a little more and a 
little more until it is just a tangled mess and they give up.  I have 
seen this pattern over and over again.

Those kinds of problems come up on windows machines too but the 
difference is the windows culture is better adapted to fix the problems 
and the Apple culture is all about pretending they don't exist because 
the reality of their existence is incompatible with Apple's marketing 
campaigns.

>  > I do own a PC as well as a Mac and I do think it is pretty
>  > trouble free once it is set up, the thing is setting it up.
>
>  What is difficult about setting up a PC? Or Mac for that matter. 
> Every PC I've bought in the last 5 or so years has come with a huge 
> poster with about 4 or 5 steps for connecting all the cords (which are 
> color coded and can't physically fit in the wrong connector anyway). 
> Then you turn it on and answer a few easy questions while the OS gets 
> installed. Mostly it's just a pain waiting to get started. What's hard 
> about it? Same deal with my iMac. The connectors aren't color coded, 
> but they can't possibly be put in where they don't belong. Both are 
> easy to setup from my perspective.

Macs are almost totally plug and play, windows are not.  There is 
really no comparison to be made, Macs are vastly easier to set up.

>  Software installation? Well... Stick the CD in the CD drive. The 
> installation program starts automatically. Click OK a few times, I 
> agree once and Finish once and it's done. Click "Start" and there are 
> even help balloons to let you know a new program has been installed, 
> telling you how to access it and the menu items are even highlighted 
> for recently installed programs. Similar situation for Macs. It isn't 
> difficult on either platform.

Sheer nonsense.  If you need to change something about the way some 
windows driver is working or reinstall it or make it find a device in a 
different slot or anything at all you have to go through all kinds of 
crap that apple users don't have to deal with.  The system takes care 
of so much of that stuff apple users are not usually even aware that it 
has happened or needs to happen.

>  My theory is this: The computer is there to help you get something 
> done. First, determine what programs you want to use, then choose a 
> computer that will run them. If cost is a factor, choose the cheapest 
> computer that will run them. Let's face it, the basic UI for both 
> Windows and Mac is the same. Anyone that can learn to use a Mac can 
> learn to use Windows and anyone who can learn to use Windows can learn 
> to use a Mac.
>
>  I love Logic so much, that I'm probably going to buy a G5 iMac with 
> at least 1 Gig of RAM. But hey... Logic is the sequencer I want to 
> use, so I'll buy a computer that it will run on. Know anyone who wants 
> a used G4 iMac? ;)
>

If I were you I would spend a few dollars more and get a dual 2X2.  The 
iMacs are cute and and an iMac was what I was thinking of getting my 
mother but for us DAW users cute is just no substitute for power which 
a tower will give you much more of, besides OS X's VM scheme is just 
plain not very appropriately designed for audio and sooner or later you 
are going to decide you want 2 gigs of memory or 3 gigs or whatever and 
it will not be an option with the iMac.