The sound depends on the microphone too. thats why people spend $10,000
on an old U47 or C12.
Re autotune - try to use different amounts on different parts of the
track - not just one setting for the whole thing. you can bring the
audio up and put it on several parallel tracks, and then put a
different setting on each.
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From: Gregory Anderson <glists@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:29 am
Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Tips for improving vocals?
I did not get very far on capturing that sound. I know that reverb
does not play much of a role in it. It's striking when I listen to
CD's from the 70's and 80's and hear how much reverb was on the vocals
back then. You don't hear any of that on today's pop.
What I'm wrestling with right now is pitch-correction. The "auto-tune"
effect is very prominent in all the vocals I hear, but I'm having
trouble getting the same sound. I think it's because I'm using Logic's
own Pitch Correction tool, which is only automatic, vs. AT, which has a
graphical mode where the target pitch is assigned, rather than
determined algorithmically. When I set it for a slow response time
(100ms), I can't hear any difference in the vocals at all. I think you
need a really fast response time to generate the noticeable artifacts
that are the new "normal" in contemporary recordings. However, when I
set it fast enough to hear the effect, it then catches my vibrato and
turns it into a trill!
I don't know if I heard it on this list or elsewhere, but singing
really close into a dynamic mic for the proximity effect was a good tip
and has resulted in something a little closer to what I am looking for.
But I have a long way to go!
Gregory
On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Andy Brook wrote:
> This was a message from Greg on a similar topic to the current one
on
> delay and reverb in vocals, and I was wondering if you ever found
out
> how to produce the sound that is made in Glee? (By the way, I had
no
> idea what Glee was when you posted. Since then its been a big hit
in
> the UK)
>
> Andy Brook
>
> On 18 Dec 2009, at 23:09, Gregory Anderson wrote:
>
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:15 AM, HKC wrote:
>>> so you'd be hard pressed to find a more
>>> difficult task if that's your goal.
>>
>> Well thank you, Debbie Downer!
>>
>>> I doubt that EQ will do it if you don't like the actual
sound of
>>> your voice
>>;
>> But seriously, I am curious that the only response that
mentioned EQ
>> was this one. I am in a similar situation to Andy's and have
been
>> focusing mainly on EQ to get that contemporary pop vocals
sound.
>> Maybe Andy and I have very different goals for our voices, as
I have
>> a very big voice that does well in barbershop and broadway
style
>> music, but doesn't play well in pop (forget rock!). But
>> descriptively, I would use similar terminology ("thin") to
contrast
>> my voice with what I want.
>>
>> Pardon my geekdom here, but an example would be the singing in
the TV
>> show Glee. It's really striking how much processing is
involved in
>> the singing voices, and it sounds very jarring when they go
from
>> speaking right into singing, because the speaking sounds fairly
>> natural and the singing sounds WAYYYYYYY Y processed. But I
don't
>> know what processing is involved. While the girls mostly have
>> exceptional voices, the guys seem to have fairly mediocre
singing
>> voices, but the processing makes them sound very fat,
compressed and
>> "in your face". So my thinking is - Hey! I have a mediocre
singing
>> voice! Maybe I could sound like that too!
>>
>> Here's a cut up 24-second audio example of the transition from
>> speaking to singing that I find so jarring in the show.
>>
>> http://brokenpick.net/myfiles_files/Mattress.mp3
>>
>> What is it that is being done to the singing that is so
noticeable?
>> The closest I've come to involves two layers of compression and
>> channel EQ with Low cut at 240 and High shelf at 2800, and
pitch
>> correction. When I run a match EQ on my voice using boyband
vocals
>> as a source, it sounds horrid and is just a massive high
frequency
>> gain and low frequency dropoff. Duane mentioned utilizing the
>> proximity effect, which sounds on the money, and I have not
tried
>> that yet.
>>
>> Sorry if I'm hijacking this thread, but I find it very
interesting,
>> and have been meaning to seek advice for some time now, so any
>> discussion would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Gregory
>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [Logic_Cafe] Tips for improving vocals?
2010-09-14 by GAmoore@aol.com