Perhaps. The sm58 and and other mics have been used at times. But I
wonder why the expensive mic market is not only booming, but there are
numerous copies of the expensive mics costing several thousand just for
the copies (e.g. Peluso etc) or similar ones (Brauner, etc). People who
can afford any mic often use the expensive ones.
And even in using a cheap mic, what about the preamp, compressor, and
converters which can cost thousands each.
It would be great to sing into dozens of different mics - but where can
you do that - without being invited to a top studio to do it? You can't
do that in Guitar Center?
There is a CD someone made for about $40 where they rented a bunch of
expensive mics and then made a test recording so you can judge for
yourself.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Coates <sbcoates@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com <Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Sep 14, 2010 12:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Tips for improving vocals?
Perhaps more important than spending thousands on a name microphone is
finding a mic that suits the singers voice and style. I have used an EV
RE20 to great effect, and even an SM58 if suits the voice and track. A
cheap mic and a good match can produce results as good as a mismatched
Neumann!
Best Wishes
Steve Coates
On 14 Sep 2010, at 18:06, GAmoore@... wrote:
> The sound depends on the microphone too. thats why people spend
$10,000
> on an old U47 or C12.
>
> Re autotune - try to use different amounts on different parts of
the
> track - not just one setting for the whole thing. you can bring
the
> audio up and put it on several parallel tracks, and then put a
> different setting on each.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregory Anderson <glists@...>
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:29 am
> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Tips for improving vocals?
>
>
> I did not get very far on capturing that sound. I know that reverb
> does not play much of a role in it. It's striking when I listen to
> CD's from the 70's and 80's and hear how much reverb was on the
vocals
> back then. You don't hear any of that on today's pop.
>
> What I'm wrestling with right now is pitch-correction. The
"auto-tune"
> effect is very prominent in all the vocals I hear, but I'm having
> trouble getting the same sound. I think it's because I'm using
Logic's
> own Pitch Correction tool, which is only automatic, vs. AT, which
has a
> graphical mode where the target pitch is assigned, rather than
> determined algorithmically. When I set it for a slow response time
> (100ms), I can't hear any difference in the vocals at all. I think
you
> need a really fast response time to generate the noticeable
artifacts
> that are the new "normal" in contemporary recordings. However,
when I
> set it fast enough to hear the effect, it then catches my vibrato
and
> turns it into a trill!
>
> I don't know if I heard it on this list or elsewhere, but singing
> really close into a dynamic mic for the proximity effect was a
good tip
> and has resulted in something a little closer to what I am looking
for.
> But I have a long way to go!
>
> Gregory
>
> On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Andy Brook wrote:
>
> > This was a message from Greg on a similar topic to the
current one
> on
> > delay and reverb in vocals, and I was wondering if you ever
found
> out
> > how to produce the sound that is made in Glee? (By the way, I
had
> no
> > idea what Glee was when you posted. Since then its been a big
hit
> in
> > the UK)
> >
> > Andy Brook
> >
> > On 18 Dec 2009, at 23:09, Gregory Anderson wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:15 AM, HKC wrote:
> >>> so you'd be hard pressed to find a more
> >>> difficult task if that's your goal.
> >>
> >> Well thank you, Debbie Downer!
> >>
> >>> I doubt that EQ will do it if you don't like the
actual
> sound of
> >>> your voice
> >>
> >> But seriously, I am curious that the only response that
> mentioned EQ
> >> was this one. I am in a similar situation to Andy's and
have
> been
> >> focusing mainly on EQ to get that contemporary pop vocals
> sound.
> >> Maybe Andy and I have very different goals for our
voices, as
> I have
> >> a very big voice that does well in barbershop and
broadway
> style
> >> music, but doesn't play well in pop (forget rock!). But
> >> descriptively, I would use similar terminology ("thin")
to
> contrast
> >> my voice with what I want.
> >;>
> >> Pardon my geekdom here, but an example would be the
singing in
> the TV
> >> show Glee. It's really striking how much processing is
> involved in
> >> the singing voices, and it sounds very jarring when they
go
> from
> >> speaking right into singing, because the speaking sounds
fairly
> >> natural and the singing sounds WAYYYYYYY Y processed. But
I
> don't
> >> know what processing is involved. While the girls mostly
have
> >> exceptional voices, the guys seem to have fairly mediocre
> singing
> >> voices, but the processing makes them sound very fat,
> compressed and
> >> "in your face". So my thinking is - Hey! I have a
mediocre
> singing
> >> voice! Maybe I could sound like that too!
> >>
> >> Here's a cut up 24-second audio example of the transition
from
> >> speaking to singing that I find so jarring in the show.
> >>
> >> http://brokenpick.net/myfiles_files/Mattress.mp3
> >>
> >> What is it that is being done to the singing that is so
> noticeable?
> >> The closest I've come to involves two layers of
compression and
> >> channel EQ with Low cut at 240 and High shelf at 2800,
and
> pitch
> >> correction. When I run a match EQ on my voice using
boyband
> vocals
> >> as a source, it sounds horrid and is just a massive high
> frequency
> >> gain and low frequency dropoff. Duane mentioned utilizing
the
> >> proximity effect, which sounds on the money, and I have
not
> tried
> >> that yet.
> >>
> >> Sorry if I'm hijacking this thread, but I find it very
> interesting,
> >> and have been meaning to seek advice for some time now,
so any
> >> discussion would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >> Gregory
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [Logic_Cafe] Tips for improving vocals?
2010-09-14 by GAmoore@aol.com