Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

On Jan 21, 2005, at 11:01 PM, Hans Hafner wrote:

> At 5:46 Uhr -0800 21.01.2005, revDAVE wrote:
>  >Personally, I agree with Nate.  Although endless Global 
> generalizations of
>  >negativity are obviously not productive, I felt that after reading 
> the "
>  >doom and gloom " thread ( Re: [LUG] Re: logic 7.0.1 is out!) that 
> most of
>  >the negative comments - seem  focused - clear and concise and  
> totally
>  >justified. And personally, I learned a lot from reading all this " 
> negative
>  >" info and gave me more of a balance of knowledge about using Logic.
>
>  The bad thing is, the threads over there always get killed when
>  things become really specific.

This is the absolute opposite of the truth.  The thread got killed 
*because* it contained a bunch of whimpering instead of specific 
details.

>  I had this issue with Dennis where he would insist that Logic worked
>  fine and I kept telling him I'm not making things up...

I am not going to let this go without comment this is simply nothing 
like the truth.  I have never suggested you are "making things up".  
What I asked for was specifics.  As far as I can see 7 was the best 
version ever when it came out and 7.0.1 is a substantial improvement on 
that.  I am open to reasoned disagreement but that is not what I am 
seeing in your posts.

>  unfortunately it was killed before everything was said and done.
>
>  But I still like the moderation going on over there... just in this
>  particular case (probably because I was involved so directly) I felt
>  I was being very down to the detail and Dennis was just generally
>  saying, no things work fine.

When asked to provide details you say "go read up", when you get 
suggestions about solving issues you get huffy that someone might be 
telling you something you already know.

You mention a whole bunch of bugs that "everybody" knows about but when 
I press you for details there was only something like one that you 
would give adequate steps to reproduce that I actually could reproduce.

Nobody who has known me for any length of time has ever accused me of 
being reluctant to complain.  I never said everything works fine, but I 
will say that most things work better than ever.

There are a couple of things that I thing SUCK big time with logic and 
OSX, for example you do not want to get me started on latency.  I am 
particularly irked by the fact that Logic OSX remains to this day a 
step backwards in *some* areas latency being one of them, redraws being 
another, compared to the OS 9 versions.  Am I irked enough to go back 
to OS 9.  Well, no.  I want to use my G5.  I want protected memory.  I 
do the math and add up the pluses and minuses and on the basis of that 
find it makes more sense for me to go forward.

The thing I dislike is the whiny drone.  If something is wrong describe 
what it is, when you see it, what you were expecting to see.

If somebody asks for details and you don't want to give them, the clear 
message is that you don't care so much about seeing the problem 
resolved.