Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

On Jan 23, 2005, at 3:09 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/22/05 4:30:36 AM, dennis@... 
> writes:
>
> >  I know lots of people who have reported this
>  >  sluggish behaviour on the slow machines we are
>  >  using. ...
>  And conversely I have seen lots of people who say redraws are faster 
> in
>  7.0.1 on their slow machines. ...your "response too slow" problem is 
> not
>  generic to those using L7 and is probably a problem at your end.
>  Apple could probably do better to make logic work on bronze age wind 
> up
>  Macs but personally I have not encountered the problem perhaps because
>
>
>  If LP7 will only work properly on a G5 then they should put a 
> disclaimer to warn people on the box and on any net ads for it - much 
> like most software have minimum system requirements clearly listed.

Sort of.  Sort of not.  The fact of the matter is there is a bit of a 
problem with where to draw the "work properly" line.

Don't take the following to mean I don't think Hans's machine should 
respond properly to his double clicks, I do but:

Everybody goes out and buys the cheapest, or the smallest, or the 
cheapest smallest computer they can afford and then through the magic 
of selective memory the minute they plug the thing in the fact that 
they were making a compromise when they purchased their system in the 
first place s;ips  is instantly replaced with the expectation that 
their new super computer will enable them to leap tall buildings and 
screw Hillary Duff.

Personally I think there should be a high end no compromises "this is 
as good as we know how to make it" Apple system that a pro can purchase 
even if it has a serious pro price tag, and then they can say this is 
the recommended Pro system for logic, it will run on everything else we 
make but in one way or another the other systems will be a compromise.  
This will both give the top end users a system that they can expect to 
work and will give Apple a retort when people with lesser systems bitch 
at them.

I have a feeling that the problem is there is a "marketing dickhead" 
contingent at apple that looks at their demographic and says "our 
figures show us that 0.5% of the people who actually buy logic are 
making their livings with it, therefore the big bucks are in focusing 
on pleasing the amateurs.

What the Dickhead Contingent forgets is that

#1. While it may be true that the 99.5% majority out there do not make 
their livings with logic they also are probably getting their opinions 
about logic from the 0.5% minority who is so in fact even though the 
only account for a miniscule fraction of the purchasers that small 
minority at the top are still the ones to please if they want Logic to 
stay in the Biz.

#2.  Even if Apple have given up on making Logic a serious contender 
against Pro Tools for the high end of the market, Steinberg have not 
given up on it and Logic's competition for the mid level and high end 
users bucks is not Garage Band on an iMac it is competing against 
Nuendo on a fast PC with vastly more hardware and plugin alternatives.


>
> I prefer using a fast machine and a newer version. 
>
>
>  Thats unusual. Whatz up with you dude? Most of us prefer older slower 
> machines which don't work with the software. ;-)

I don't know.  I just love the treadmill I guess...


> So personally I  don't particularly care about that specific complaint 
> personally I am
>  more ticked off that they still are not making much use of those
>  expensive GPUs they put in high end Macs.
>
>
>
>  What is a "GPU"? Is that Graphics Processing Unit?

yes.

> I used to get 3 second screen blackouts when changing screensets 
> before (using a cinema display and a second monitor). But after 
> putting a Radeon 9000 in, that stopped and the screen redraws are 
> pretty good.

Yes they are pretty good but even with the best G5 you can buy they are 
still not where they aught to be and they are just now starting to get 
back to where they were 3 years ago on the fastest OS9 systems.