Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

On Jan 24, 2005, at 5:52 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:
>  "Demand" is to strong of a word. But I think it goes like this. A guy 
> like f-erenc, for example, has a mixing business or something, and he 
> wants some new feature. He has all his environments set up, and in 
> some ways, an "easier way" of doing things would be a headache to have 
> to re-work his existing things. Making it more user friendly is at the 
> bottom of his list because he already mastered it. In fact, he might 
> be making some good money consulting and setting up other people with 
> Logic systems. There are a lot of people who buy logic and are stuck 
> and pay to have people set them up or tutor them. Or there are other 
> guys who sell books, like Orren, and are making their living from 
> explaining how to use logic to desparate users on a global scale.

You are maligning people I consider to be friends.

Ferenc has very much the attitude, "I am going to look what is here and 
see what I can do with it, wow, that is pretty cool, could be better in 
this, this, and this area but I can work with it".  I have been reading 
Ferenc's suggestions for improving logic for years and years and they 
are almost always about making things simpler for the user.  Like me he 
is an old Vision user and is always advocating copying the nicer 
aspects of Vision and ditching the clunky environment equivalents.

Orren and I are also very good friends and I have to say he is about 
the same he is 100% about making things simpler and easier, to make him 
out as some guy cynically wanting things to complicated so he can sell 
books is downright comical if since it is so antithetical to every 
single thing I have ever seen him say in *any* forum.

>> I think the problem is expecting logic to behave like other programs. 
>>  Why should it?
>
>
> Because there are industry norms and overall software norms. It also 
> makes it easier for people to learn the program or switch back and 
> forth between several programs. I'll give you a non-musical example - 
> the delete key deletes things on most programs - but in Excel if you 
> select multiple cells and want to delete, you have to hit "control B". 
> Well, thats confusing because you have to learn a non-standard thing.

I agree with this *in as much as it is possible*.  In practice OTOH 
there is the fact that all these programs have been around for nearly 
the same number of years so it becomes a matter of who should be the 
one to set the standard and who should be the one to follow it.

You have to give emagic credit though for having taken steps from the 
beginning to accommodate this exact request.  You can set up the KCs 
any old way you want, you can even find guys selling sets of 
preferences in which they have mapped all the logic KCs to match the 
corresponding ones in Pro Tools.