Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

On Feb 2, 2005, at 10:33 AM, Hans Hafner wrote:

> At 13:03 Uhr -0500 01.02.2005, GAmoore@... wrote:
>  >Hans
>  >Why don't you put all of those bugs into a single list in the
>  >Logic_Cafe files section for bug list. I had my own list of 40
>  >things I was thinking of putting in there.
>
>  Yeah, but then... does anyone who develops really care?
>
>  >I think Logic has always allowed you to double define keycommands.
>  >If you assign a key command to A, then assign another command to A,
>  >it would warn you that it was a duplicate but I think it would go
>  >ahead and allow it. Its unclear what happens when you press A now -
>  >I think only one of the two will act. So to swap keycommands I would
>  >define one to some temporary key like Control Command Escape, then
>  >switch, then switch back.
>
>  Well, this is the thing, when I trash prefs and import the old ones
>  it doesn't _overwrite_ the assignements it _modifies_ it... so some
>  of them are there twice. Yes I can do it by hand, yes, I know how to
>  get my work done, yes I know 95% of the workarounds out there, I'm
>  just sick of them after thousands of dollars.

If you trash the prefs and and the prefs of other devices and it does 
not effect the problem then there is probably not much point in 
repeating the exercise.

OTOH if you trash the prefs and find it does help the problem but fear 
they will become corrupted again the thing to do is: after you have 
rebuilt them but before they become corrupt you should safe the prefs 
in the "golden" state in a folder named "logic pro good prefs" and put 
it in your applications folder so that you can always find it when you 
need it.  You should also put copies of other prefs relating to 
operation of your computer when you work with logic in there as well.

> I'm just sick, can you understand that?

No, not yet,  maybe if you turn on the caps lock and say it two or 
three more times....


> Logic by now has taken the fun out of composing and arranging,

If a few bugs in a sequencer can do that sounds like your emotional 
connection to your craft is pretty frail.

> which is my education and life, do the developers care?  Are they even 
> interested?

Not if you put it that way they won't be.

> Not anymore! I'm paying _their_ bread and that's why I'm mad. I know 
> you guys are good guys, we just have to make sure that the developers 
> know who they're working for,

I guess they must be working for me and not you because I am pretty 
happy in general with the direction things are going and I would not 
even be unhappy if I thought 7.0.1 was a destination, though I am quite 
sure it isn't.

I don't think replacing the prefs will help you.  I don't think going 
to another program will help (you will likely have just as many 
problems with any of the others).  Getting a more powerful CPU might 
help you some, you do say after all that this is your profession, so if 
that is the case getting a more powerful tower based system seems like 
a sensible move and a worthy investment.   You are after all talking 
about your livelihood.  Stabilizing your power sources might help but 
again not guaranteed.

I have checked out several of the bugs you mention and could not 
reproduce them.  So I don't think there is really even anything Apple 
can do about a lot of the stuff you are complaining about.   I know you 
don't think that is useful information but it actually is since it 
tells you that not everyone is having the problem which would indicate 
the conflict is somewhere in your system.

I have also seen you referring to a documented feature that has been a 
part of the logic paradigm for 13 years as a bug, and while I agree 
that the implementation is not what I would consider to be ideal I 
understand how quantize works and have no big problems with it  because 
I RTFM.

> and yes, nobody likes to be told that but I'm also told on every job 
> and if I don't deliver, I'm replaced....

Nobody ever tells me that.  I'm glad I don't work with the people you 
do.  The people I work with generally respect and appreciate my talents 
as I do theirs, so they also are willing to work with me to get around 
whatever limitations I may have, just as I try to do with theirs.  
There are sometimes on rare occasions people I encounter in my work who 
need to express their displeasure with the general state of affairs and 
to demonstrate who is boss at every juncture.  But they are the 
exceptions not the rules.   The reason they are rare at the level of 
the business that I operate at is I guess because that attitude is a 
liability not an asset, sooner or later it will fuck its owner out of 
enough business that he will either wise up or he will fail unless he 
is one of the very very few that is super-humanly talented enough to 
overcome the fact that everyone around him thinks he is a complete 
dickhead. Why?  Because it interferes with the ability of the people 
one is working with to concentrate and their will to even try to do 
what they feel is their best since they know they will be reprimanded 
for taking any initiative.  Instead they go into robot mode and start 
doing and thinking the minimum and just concentrate on getting through 
with the session.

> However, I have about 300 songs and sketches in Logic so this 
> investment really has influence on my work, my ideas and my life and 
> that's why I think it should be the best it can be which at the moment 
> Logic 7 is not, it was taking 3 steps back.

Not here as near as I can tell it is leaps ahead.

> And that's why it's also a really tough decision to just switch 
> platforms all of a sudden...

Go for it.