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classic will die when apple switches to intel

classic will die when apple switches to intel

2005-06-07 by GAmoore@aol.com

headline says it all.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1825046,00.asp

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-5734410.html

http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=360

Re: [Logic_Cafe] classic will die when apple switches to intel

2005-06-07 by Chris Coccia

GAmoore@... wrote:
> headline says it all.
> 
> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1825046,00.asp
> 
> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-5734410.html
> 
> http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=360

People still us OS 9 4 years after the release of the first OS X?
(Sorry had to)


-- 
Chris

http://www.descentrecords.com

Re: [Logic_Cafe] classic will die when apple switches to intel

2005-06-07 by GAmoore@aol.com

People still us OS 9 4 years after the release of the first OS X?
(Sorry had to)


Yeah they do - either in 9 or in classic. It is mentioned in some of those articles that many in professional printing still use Quark for 9 and are not satified with Quark for X, along with schools. (Much inline with what I was just saying about industry using solid stuff even if its old). There is a pretty thriving set of users of Wordperfect for Mac (I am one of them) - even though the product has not been updated in any way since 1996. Its a great program and you can get it for free now (although I actually paid for it). I also have $1500 of VST plug ins for 9 sitting on an external drive waiting for a cheap G4 to run as an extra processing machine. Hmm I don't think I have tried running Metasynth in classic mode. Need to give that a try.

Re: [Logic_Cafe] classic will die when apple switches to intel

2005-06-07 by Maurits van de Kamp

> headline says it all.

Well I didn't even expect otherwise.. not that I see a problem with that - I 
mean do you really want to use the computer you buy after 2007 for running 
software from before 2004?

Why not keep the one you have now for that? :o)

Maurits.

Re: Re: classic will die when apple switches to intel

2005-06-08 by Nick Batzdorf

From: Chris Coccia <mothra@...>

People still us OS 9 4 years after the release of the first OS X?

(Sorry had to)


No you didn't. :)

You're making several incorrect assumptions: 1. that people using music software switched to OS X four years ago; 2. that everything everyone needs from made it to OS X; 3. that Classic is the same thing as OS 9 (it's not, it runs *inside* OS X); 4. that the OS X versions of everything are better; 5. that even if they are better, moving everything to OS X is free.

For example, for one of my businesses I rely on Classic to process credit cards in MacAuthorize (with an OS X "adapter" program). Changing cc-processing software would mean a) about $500 + hefty processing fees, and b) reprogramming the Filemaker database to export the numbers in the right format.

And sometimes I use Word 5.1, which is still the best word processor ever written. Frigging Word 2004 is ludicrous (examples of why: the search and replace command doesn't work from the keyboard and you can't put in a new one, it's slow on a frigging 2x2.5, all the commands change every version...). I've been trying out Pages, and if it had a selection word count feature I might be tempted to switch. Actually I probably will in spite of that important feature, since you can copy and paste a selection to a blank document to get a count; you don't really need a lot of the advanced features (indexing, what have you) for magazine writing.


Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher

Virtual Instruments magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers

www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com

1-877 VImagzn (846-2496)

818/905-9101, cell 590-9101


Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: Re: classic will die when apple switches to intel

2005-06-08 by Maurits van de Kamp

> You're making several incorrect assumptions: 1. that people using
(..snip..)

All that is very true - but that still doesn't explain why you want a new 
computer for all this. Why would you want a computer that is one generation 
more powerful than a G5 for pre-OSX software? If you're that fond of the 
classic stuff, why not simply stick to your classic computer for that?

It all boils down to the question that baffles me every time a compatibility 
boundary comes up, and which has never been answered.. why do people want 
brandnew computers with ancient software?

Maurits.

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: Re: classic will die when apple switches to intel

2005-06-08 by Chris Coccia

Nick Batzdorf wrote:

> You're making several incorrect assumptions: 1. that people using music 
> software switched to OS X four years ago; 2. that everything everyone 
> needs from made it to OS X; 3. that Classic is the same thing as OS 9 
> (it's not, it runs *inside* OS X); 4. that the OS X versions of 
> everything are better; 5. that even if they are better, moving 
> everything to OS X is free.
> 

1. No I know plenty of people still using Logic under OS 9.. I still use 
my old Cubase VST32 from time to time when I need to play with old 
material. I know people that still run their TDM rigs in OS 8 on still 
crawling beige PPCs because they dont want to break anything.
2. No. I still dont have a stable WORKING version of Sound Diver. I have 
to use a somewhat buggy alpha version of an editor for my Nord Modular.
3. No. I know how it works.. Which is why I keep it on a seperate blue 
and white G3 so I dont have to worry about any problems with a shelled 
version of OS 9..
4. Check out the Sound Diver beta.. Scary aint it? Recycle has turned my 
still perfect Emu ESI4000 into a standalone sampler once again.
5. Wrong again.. I had to pay for lotsa stuff to move to OS X. And take 
about a year before the move was complete and at a level where I could 
work comfortably.. And lets see, Ive also paid for every version since 
OS 10.0 came out in order to finally get to a near perfect working 
environment.. (Okay so I got the 10.1 disk for free at CompUSA) Now this 
whole Intel/Leopard thing is gonna throw it in a loop again hehe!

The (sorry had to) underneath that I thought pointed out I was making a 
joke?

-- 
Chris

http://www.descentrecords.com

Re: Re: Re: Re: classic will die when apple switches to intel

2005-06-09 by Nick Batzdorf


You're making several incorrect assumptions: 1. that people using


(..snip..)


From: Maurits van de Kamp <maurits@...>

Why would you want a computer that is one generation

more powerful than a G5 for pre-OSX software? If you're that fond of the

classic stuff, why not simply stick to your classic computer for that?


Because my KVM switch is full and I don't want to buy an 8-port one to accommodate yet another computer. :)

And because I'm much more fond of the modern stuff - so much so that I've launched a magazine to cover it. :)

Seriously, I look forward to the day - which of course won't come - when one machine will handle everything I want it to do. The 2x2.5 G5 (with 5GB of RAM) comes close, loading 2.75GB of Logic/EXS before it becomes unreliable (as shown in Activity Monitor - the actual memory access is higher, but some of that is "overhead"). But it's going to take 64-bit memory access (or a radical change in the way samplers work) before you can load enough instruments for a large orchestral template in one machine.

From: Chris Coccia <mothra@...>

The (sorry had to) underneath that I thought pointed out I was making a joke?

It sounded to me like you were ducking and running. :)



Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher

Virtual Instruments magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers

www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com

1-877 VImagzn (846-2496)

818/905-9101, cell 590-9101


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