Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

OK, using the midi drum loops will have to do for now. So... does anyone have any tips for using the quantizing and groove quantizing to make the midi drum loops sound more "human?"
Thanks for your patience with my elementary-level questions!

On 15 Mar 2010, at 20:59, stratjackson wrote:

> OK, using the midi drum loops will have to do for now. So... does  
> anyone have any tips for using the quantizing and groove quantizing  
> to make the midi drum loops sound more "human?"
> Thanks for your patience with my elementary-level questions!
>
Have you tried the 'Humanizing' function? It should do exactly what  
you want, short of making it sound like a real drummer.


And don't worry about how elementary your questions are. I'm only a  
few chapters ahead of you!

Andy

One trick is to harmoinze the tracks and then once done add just a couple of simple  real instruments that you record yourself over it..  
They can be simple instruments like a triangle or tambourine or shaker or something but adding a real human sound to the midi based ones really brings the music to life.
Almost anyone can ring a triangle on a beat or shake a tambourine or better still simply hit a cymbal on a basic pattern.  You just have to use the original midi track as your "click" track ti play along with

Steve


On 16/03/2010, at 9:59 AM, stratjackson wrote:

> OK, using the midi drum loops will have to do for now. So... does anyone have any tips for using the quantizing and groove quantizing to make the midi drum loops sound more "human?"
> Thanks for your patience with my elementary-level questions!
> 
> 



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There are many tricks - but all of them seem to be a bit of a hassle.

As Steve said you can layer real percussion over the sequences. One 
thing that really sounds fake fast is cymbols. But a real cymbol is an 
easy investment.

You can also add humanize/randomness.

You can make a bunch of copies of the sequence and go in and tweak them 
individually.

In some programs like NI Battery, I think you can map the velocity of 
the midi note to a little bit of pitch bend to make each hit sound a 
little different.

You can apply groove quantizations. It seemed like years ago they used 
to sell the "DNA" grooves. I have not heard about that in years though. 
I got some samples from a version of Logic (maybe 2.5).

You can automate levels.

You can add extra hits or take away hits.

In the end its almost impossible to get really realistic drums for a 
whole song though.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Currington <steve@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] How do you make Apple midi drum loops sound 
more human?

One trick is to harmoinze the tracks and then once done add just a 
couple of simple  real instruments that you record yourself over it..
They can be simple instruments like a triangle or tambourine or shaker 
or something but adding a real human sound to the midi based ones 
really brings the music to life.
Almost anyone can ring a triangle on a beat or shake a tambourine or 
better still simply hit a cymbal on a basic pattern.  You just have to 
use the original midi track as your "click" track ti play along with

Steve


On 16/03/2010, at 9:59 AM, stratjackson wrote:

> OK, using the midi drum loops will have to do for now. So... does 
anyone have any tips for using the quantizing and groove quantizing to 
make the midi drum loops sound more "human?"
> Thanks for your patience with my elementary-level questions!
>
>



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Just an additional thought 

You can also put two copies of teh track and off set one by just a small millisecond  from the other.  This sort of gives it an affect that adds a strange but effective variation feeling. But you have to use your ears to place it and adjust it till it feels like you want.

The way it works is by creating frequency cancellation on some  places and strengthening on others  etc similar to polarity issues with say using two mics on on a single object that normally you don't and have to resolve.   Buy moving/offsetting just a very small amount often doesn't hurt the sound and makes it sound more real.

The issue is you have to try it and see as sometimes it simply won't work but often does.

Steve

 

On 16/03/2010, at 1:28 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> There are many tricks - but all of them seem to be a bit of a hassle.
> 
> As Steve said you can layer real percussion over the sequences. One 
> thing that really sounds fake fast is cymbols. But a real cymbol is an 
> easy investment.
> 
> You can also add humanize/randomness.
> 
> You can make a bunch of copies of the sequence and go in and tweak them 
> individually.
> 
> In some programs like NI Battery, I think you can map the velocity of 
> the midi note to a little bit of pitch bend to make each hit sound a 
> little different.
> 
> You can apply groove quantizations. It seemed like years ago they used 
> to sell the "DNA" grooves. I have not heard about that in years though. 
> I got some samples from a version of Logic (maybe 2.5).
> 
> You can automate levels.
> 
> You can add extra hits or take away hits.
> 
> In the end its almost impossible to get really realistic drums for a 
> whole song though.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Currington <steve@...>
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 3:39 pm
> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] How do you make Apple midi drum loops sound 
> more human?
> 
> One trick is to harmoinze the tracks and then once done add just a 
> couple of simple real instruments that you record yourself over it..
> They can be simple instruments like a triangle or tambourine or shaker 
> or something but adding a real human sound to the midi based ones 
> really brings the music to life.
> Almost anyone can ring a triangle on a beat or shake a tambourine or 
> better still simply hit a cymbal on a basic pattern. You just have to 
> use the original midi track as your "click" track ti play along with
> 
> Steve
> 
> On 16/03/2010, at 9:59 AM, stratjackson wrote:
> 
> > OK, using the midi drum loops will have to do for now. So... does 
> anyone have any tips for using the quantizing and groove quantizing to 
> make the midi drum loops sound more "human?"
> > Thanks for your patience with my elementary-level questions!
> >
> >
> 
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