Marcos Maniacs

Don,
I will be replacing a bent lower Radius Rod on the drivers side, 
sourced from Rory, I did a search to find your email as my shocks 
are "tired" and I'll have the rear end apart.  Do you have any other 
advice on the shocks/springs --- you mentioned you should have got 
the springs from AVO but I didn't find them on their website...  I 
have the Mantula frame/body with the Ford 2.8 Cologne V6.  I have 
used the info from your email in an inquiry to AVO, they may answer 
some of these ???, but the more I know the better off I'll be...
Thanks for any help,
Paul

--- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lattimer" 
<donlattimer@p...> wrote:
> I bought my AVO shocks direct Aug 15 2002.  Cost was 130 pounds for 
two.  Approx. 200 USD.   My mistake was not ordering all four at 
once.  I ordered the front two and paid 60 pounds for shipping!  Then 
ordered the back two and paid aother 60 pounds shipping.  Not smart!
> 
> The nice thing about them is that they are height adjustable AND 
the damping is adjustable.  Perfect for those low cars.  I am quite 
satisfied so far with the shocks.  I'm still playing with the 
settings.
> 
> The biggest difference was replacing the springs with new ones.  
Two rear springs were 36 pounds (18 pounds each) from Demon Tweeks.  
Best to order the springs with the shocks from AVO and save the 
shipping charge for multiple shipments.

> 
> Don Lattimer
> #3m5759
> Willits, CA

Don,
I'm not real mechanical, I usually pay for work other than brakes...
Do you have the specs of the springs you bought---or do the old ones 
need to be taken out and measured?  Since springs aren't as pricey, 
if I can't find out what I need w/o pulling the suspension apart I 
will probabally order springs from Rory, I've had good luck with his 
parts, but they are sometimes pricey, plus it'd be nice to only pay 
one set of shipping charges...  I am still waiting to hear from AVO 
regarding the shocks, how was your experience with them?
Thanks again,
Paul
#8083
--- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lattimer" 
<donlattimer@p...> wrote:
> Paul,
> 
> I'm very happy with my shock/spring setup.  Haven't bottomed out in 
months!
> 
> On the AVO website click on "products", then "race coil springs", 
then "2.25" race coil springs".  All the different weights and 
lengths are listed.
> 
> Let me know if you have more questions.
> 
> Don Lattimer
> #3m5759
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Paul Weidner 
>   To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 8:39 PM
>   Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Re: AVO shocks
> 
> 
>   Don,
>   I will be replacing a bent lower Radius Rod on the drivers side, 
>   sourced from Rory, I did a search to find your email as my shocks 
>   are "tired" and I'll have the rear end apart.  Do you have any 
other 
>   advice on the shocks/springs --- you mentioned you should have 
got 
>   the springs from AVO but I didn't find them on their website...  
I 
>   have the Mantula frame/body with the Ford 2.8 Cologne V6.  I have 
>   used the info from your email in an inquiry to AVO, they may 
answer 
>   some of these ???, but the more I know the better off I'll be...
>   Thanks for any help,
>   Paul
> 
>   --- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lattimer" 
>   <donlattimer@p...> wrote:
>   > I bought my AVO shocks direct Aug 15 2002.  Cost was 130 pounds 
for 
>   two.  Approx. 200 USD.   My mistake was not ordering all four at 
>   once.  I ordered the front two and paid 60 pounds for shipping!  
Then 
>   ordered the back two and paid aother 60 pounds shipping.  Not 
smart!
>   > 
>   > The nice thing about them is that they are height adjustable 
AND 
>   the damping is adjustable.  Perfect for those low cars.  I am 
quite 
>   satisfied so far with the shocks.  I'm still playing with the 
>   settings.
>   > 
>   > The biggest difference was replacing the springs with new 
ones.  
>   Two rear springs were 36 pounds (18 pounds each) from Demon 
Tweeks.  
>   Best to order the springs with the shocks from AVO and save the 
>   shipping charge for multiple shipments.
>   > 
>   > Don Lattimer
>   > #3m5759
>   > Willits, CA
> 
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Bill,
Do you remember how much it was?
Thanks,
Paul

--- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, balloonblack@c... wrote:
> I have Rory's Active Handling kit on my #l Volvo. It is shocks and 
springs. 
> The ride is much better than th original equipment. It took about 4 
days to get 
> here.
> Bill 3V5680

We are running the full shock/spring kit from AVO on out woodie 
Marcos.

We have so far had good results with them on 195/60 group-N treaded 
tyres at 2 bar front and 2.1 rear. Start at about 10/12 clicks from 
0. Using a 22mm solid front A/Roll bar. Despite being locked into the 
50/50 split they seem to respond well to average track conditions. 
(tending towards understeer with standard chassis rake)

The fulll shock/spring kit is listed on their website somewhere. 
Better results gauranteed if you 'phone them.

Hope this helps

Cheers

JV

--- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Weidner" <pweidn@c...> 
wrote:
> Don,
> I will be replacing a bent lower Radius Rod on the drivers side, 
> sourced from Rory, I did a search to find your email as my shocks 
> are "tired" and I'll have the rear end apart.  Do you have any 
other 
> advice on the shocks/springs --- you mentioned you should have got 
> the springs from AVO but I didn't find them on their website...  I 
> have the Mantula frame/body with the Ford 2.8 Cologne V6.  I have 
> used the info from your email in an inquiry to AVO, they may answer 
> some of these ???, but the more I know the better off I'll be...
> Thanks for any help,
> Paul
> 
> --- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lattimer" 
> <donlattimer@p...> wrote:
> > I bought my AVO shocks direct Aug 15 2002.  Cost was 130 pounds 
for 
> two.  Approx. 200 USD.   My mistake was not ordering all four at 
> once.  I ordered the front two and paid 60 pounds for shipping!  
Then 
> ordered the back two and paid aother 60 pounds shipping.  Not smart!
> > 
> > The nice thing about them is that they are height adjustable AND 
> the damping is adjustable.  Perfect for those low cars.  I am quite 
> satisfied so far with the shocks.  I'm still playing with the 
> settings.
> > 
> > The biggest difference was replacing the springs with new ones.  
> Two rear springs were 36 pounds (18 pounds each) from Demon 
Tweeks.  

> Best to order the springs with the shocks from AVO and save the 
> shipping charge for multiple shipments.
> > 
> > Don Lattimer
> > #3m5759
> > Willits, CA

Just checked - See http://www.avouk.com/avoadjustable4.htm


--- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "jvbotha" <jerome3@t...> wrote:
> We are running the full shock/spring kit from AVO on out woodie 
> Marcos.
> 
> We have so far had good results with them on 195/60 group-N treaded 
> tyres at 2 bar front and 2.1 rear. Start at about 10/12 clicks from 
> 0. Using a 22mm solid front A/Roll bar. Despite being locked into 
the 
> 50/50 split they seem to respond well to average track conditions. 
> (tending towards understeer with standard chassis rake)
> 
> The fulll shock/spring kit is listed on their website somewhere. 
> Better results gauranteed if you 'phone them.
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Cheers
> 
> JV
> 
> --- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Weidner" <pweidn@c...> 
> wrote:
> > Don,
> > I will be replacing a bent lower Radius Rod on the drivers side, 
> > sourced from Rory, I did a search to find your email as my shocks 
> > are "tired" and I'll have the rear end apart.  Do you have any 
> other 
> > advice on the shocks/springs --- you mentioned you should have 
got 
> > the springs from AVO but I didn't find them on their website...  
I 
> > have the Mantula frame/body with the Ford 2.8 Cologne V6.  I have 
> > used the info from your email in an inquiry to AVO, they may 
answer 
> > some of these ???, but the more I know the better off I'll be...
> > Thanks for any help,
> > Paul
> > 
> > --- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lattimer" 
> > <donlattimer@p...> wrote:
> > > I bought my AVO shocks direct Aug 15 2002.  Cost was 130 pounds 
> for 
> > two.  Approx. 200 USD.   My mistake was not ordering all four at 
> > once.  I ordered the front two and paid 60 pounds for shipping!  
> Then 
> > ordered the back two and paid aother 60 pounds shipping.  Not 
smart!
> > > 
> > > The nice thing about them is that they are height adjustable 
AND 
> > the damping is adjustable.  Perfect for those low cars.  I am 
quite 
> > satisfied so far with the shocks.  I'm still playing with the 
> > settings.
> > > 
> > > The biggest difference was replacing the springs with new 
ones.  

> > Two rear springs were 36 pounds (18 pounds each) from Demon 
> Tweeks.  
> > Best to order the springs with the shocks from AVO and save the 
> > shipping charge for multiple shipments.
> > > 
> > > Don Lattimer
> > > #3m5759
> > > Willits, CA

Hi Don

I have fabricated upper and lower wishbones with rose joints. Also 
relocated pickup points slightly, bent steering arms and shimmed the 
rack. I am not sure if the settings will be the same. I will measure 
the spring lengths and let you know. Camber runs around 2 deg. -+ 0.5.

(Pics of car in files section)

Will try and let you know tomorrow.

Cheers

JV

--- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lattimer" 
<donlattimer@p...> wrote:
> JV,
> 
> Those are the same I use.  I set them at about 7 clicks for street 
use.  Currently running 195/70 R13 tires.
> 
> Do you know the camber of your front wheels?  If so, what length 
are the front springs when the car is sitting level?  I recently 
discovered that my camber was way too negative and wore the inside of 
the tires out.  Adjusting the collar on the shock body changes the 
camber.  While adjusting mine I discovered the spring starting to bow 
so now have new front springs on order.
> 
> Don Lattimer
> #3m5759
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: jvbotha 
>   To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:49 AM
>   Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Re: AVO shocks
> 
> 
>   We are running the full shock/spring kit from AVO on out woodie 
>   Marcos.
> 
>   We have so far had good results with them on 195/60 group-N 
treaded 
>   tyres at 2 bar front and 2.1 rear. Start at about 10/12 clicks 
from 
>   0. Using a 22mm solid front A/Roll bar. Despite being locked into 
the 
>   50/50 split they seem to respond well to average track 
conditions. 
>   (tending towards understeer with standard chassis rake)
> 
>   The fulll shock/spring kit is listed on their website somewhere. 
>   Better results gauranteed if you 'phone them.
> 
>   Hope this helps
> 
>   Cheers
> 
>   JV
> 
>   --- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Weidner" 
<pweidn@c...> 
>   wrote:
>   > Don,
>   > I will be replacing a bent lower Radius Rod on the drivers 
side, 
>   > sourced from Rory, I did a search to find your email as my 
shocks 
>   > are "tired" and I'll have the rear end apart.  Do you have any 
>   other 
>   > advice on the shocks/springs --- you mentioned you should have 
got 
>   > the springs from AVO but I didn't find them on their 
website...  I 
>   > have the Mantula frame/body with the Ford 2.8 Cologne V6.  I 
have 
>   > used the info from your email in an inquiry to AVO, they may 
answer 
>   > some of these ???, but the more I know the better off I'll be...
>   > Thanks for any help,
>   > Paul
>   > 
>   > --- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lattimer" 
>   > <donlattimer@p...> wrote:
>   > > I bought my AVO shocks direct Aug 15 2002.  Cost was 130 
pounds 
>   for 
>   > two.  Approx. 200 USD.   My mistake was not ordering all four 
at 
>   > once.  I ordered the front two and paid 60 pounds for 
shipping!  
>   Then 
>   > ordered the back two and paid aother 60 pounds shipping.  Not 
smart!
>   > > 
>   > > The nice thing about them is that they are height adjustable 
AND 
>   > the damping is adjustable.  Perfect for those low cars.  I am 
quite 
>   > satisfied so far with the shocks.  I'm still playing with the 
>   > settings.
>   > > 
>   > > The biggest difference was replacing the springs with new 
ones.  
>   > Two rear springs were 36 pounds (18 pounds each) from Demon 
>   Tweeks.  
>   > Best to order the springs with the shocks from AVO and save the 
>   > shipping charge for multiple shipments.
>   > > 
>   > > Don Lattimer
>   > > #3m5759
>   > > Willits, CA
> 
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Hi Don

Checked spring lengths in car on stands and I am not certain that 
they were fully extended so I have included a thread count.

Front- 258mm (+- 6 thread peaks exposed below spring seat nut)

Rear- 266mm  (+- 3 thread peaks exposed below spring seat nut)

If the springs are bowing, it maked me expect that they are 
overcompressed.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

JV

--- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lattimer" 
<donlattimer@p...> wrote:
> JV,
> 
> Those are the same I use.  I set them at about 7 clicks for street 
use.  Currently running 195/70 R13 tires.
> 
> Do you know the camber of your front wheels?  If so, what length 
are the front springs when the car is sitting level?  I recently 
discovered that my camber was way too negative and wore the inside of 
the tires out.  Adjusting the collar on the shock body changes the 
camber.  While adjusting mine I discovered the spring starting to bow 
so now have new front springs on order.
> 
> Don Lattimer
> #3m5759
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: jvbotha 
>   To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:49 AM
>   Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Re: AVO shocks
> 
> 
>   We are running the full shock/spring kit from AVO on out woodie 
>   Marcos.
> 
>   We have so far had good results with them on 195/60 group-N 
treaded 
>   tyres at 2 bar front and 2.1 rear. Start at about 10/12 clicks 
from 
>   0. Using a 22mm solid front A/Roll bar. Despite being locked into 
the 
>   50/50 split they seem to respond well to average track 
conditions. 
>   (tending towards understeer with standard chassis rake)
> 
>   The fulll shock/spring kit is listed on their website somewhere. 
>   Better results gauranteed if you 'phone them.
> 
>   Hope this helps
> 
>   Cheers
> 
>   JV
> 
>   --- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Weidner" 
<pweidn@c...> 
>   wrote:
>   > Don,
>   > I will be replacing a bent lower Radius Rod on the drivers 
side, 
>   > sourced from Rory, I did a search to find your email as my 
shocks 
>   > are "tired" and I'll have the rear end apart.  Do you have any 
>   other 
>   > advice on the shocks/springs --- you mentioned you should have 
got 
>   > the springs from AVO but I didn't find them on their 
website...  I 
>   > have the Mantula frame/body with the Ford 2.8 Cologne V6.  I 
have 
>   > used the info from your email in an inquiry to AVO, they may 
answer 
>   > some of these ???, but the more I know the better off I'll be...
>   > Thanks for any help,
>   > Paul
>   > 
>   > --- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lattimer" 
>   > <donlattimer@p...> wrote:
>   > > I bought my AVO shocks direct Aug 15 2002.  Cost was 130 
pounds 
>   for 
>   > two.  Approx. 200 USD.   My mistake was not ordering all four 
at 
>   > once.  I ordered the front two and paid 60 pounds for 
shipping!  
>   Then 
>   > ordered the back two and paid aother 60 pounds shipping.  Not 
smart!
>   > > 
>   > > The nice thing about them is that they are height adjustable 
AND 
>   > the damping is adjustable.  Perfect for those low cars.  I am 
quite 
>   > satisfied so far with the shocks.  I'm still playing with the 
>   > settings.
>   > > 
>   > > The biggest difference was replacing the springs with new 
ones.  
>   > Two rear springs were 36 pounds (18 pounds each) from Demon 
>   Tweeks.  
>   > Best to order the springs with the shocks from AVO and save the 
>   > shipping charge for multiple shipments.
>   > > 
>   > > Don Lattimer
>   > > #3m5759
>   > > Willits, CA
> 
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I am pleased that the info helped. Have Fun!

Cheers

JV

--- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lattimer" 
<donlattimer@p...> wrote:
> JV,
> 
> Perfect!  Set them at your lengths prior to install and camber 
comes out about right. +/- 2 degrees.  Ride height is good also.  
Thanks!
> 
> Don Lattimer
> #3m5759
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: jvbotha 
>   To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:16 AM
>   Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Re: AVO shocks
> 
> 
>   Hi Don
> 
>   Checked spring lengths in car on stands and I am not certain that 
>   they were fully extended so I have included a thread count.
> 
>   Front- 258mm (+- 6 thread peaks exposed below spring seat nut)
> 
>   Rear- 266mm  (+- 3 thread peaks exposed below spring seat nut)
> 
>   If the springs are bowing, it maked me expect that they are 
>   overcompressed.
> 
>   Hope this helps.
> 
>   Cheers
> 
>   JV
> 
>   --- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lattimer" 
>   <donlattimer@p...> wrote:
>   > JV,
>   > 
>   > Those are the same I use.  I set them at about 7 clicks for 
street 
>   use.  Currently running 195/70 R13 tires.
>   > 
>   > Do you know the camber of your front wheels?  If so, what 
length 
>   are the front springs when the car is sitting level?  I recently 
>   discovered that my camber was way too negative and wore the 
inside of 
>   the tires out.  Adjusting the collar on the shock body changes 
the 
>   camber.  While adjusting mine I discovered the spring starting to 
bow 
>   so now have new front springs on order.
>   > 
>   > Don Lattimer
>   > #3m5759
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: jvbotha 
>   >   To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com 
>   >   Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:49 AM
>   >   Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Re: AVO shocks
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   We are running the full shock/spring kit from AVO on out 
woodie 
>   >   Marcos.
>   > 
>   >   We have so far had good results with them on 195/60 group-N 
>   treaded 
>   >   tyres at 2 bar front and 2.1 rear. Start at about 10/12 
clicks 
>   from 
>   >   0. Using a 22mm solid front A/Roll bar. Despite being locked 
into 
>   the 
>   >   50/50 split they seem to respond well to average track 
>   conditions. 
>   >   (tending towards understeer with standard chassis rake)
>   > 
>   >   The fulll shock/spring kit is listed on their website 
somewhere. 
>   >   Better results gauranteed if you 'phone them.
>   > 
>   >   Hope this helps
>   > 
>   >   Cheers
>   > 
>   >   JV
>   > 
>   >   --- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Weidner" 
>   <pweidn@c...> 
>   >   wrote:
>   >   > Don,
>   >   > I will be replacing a bent lower Radius Rod on the drivers 
>   side, 
>   >   > sourced from Rory, I did a search to find your email as my 
>   shocks 
>   >   > are "tired" and I'll have the rear end apart.  Do you have 
any 
>   >   other 
>   >   > advice on the shocks/springs --- you mentioned you should 
have 
>   got 
>   >   > the springs from AVO but I didn't find them on their 
>   website...  I 
>   >   > have the Mantula frame/body with the Ford 2.8 Cologne V6.  
I 
>   have 
>   >   > used the info from your email in an inquiry to AVO, they 
may 
>   answer 
>   >   > some of these ???, but the more I know the better off I'll 
be...
>   >   > Thanks for any help,
>   >   > Paul
>   >   > 
>   >   > --- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lattimer" 
>   >   > <donlattimer@p...> wrote:
>   >   > > I bought my AVO shocks direct Aug 15 2002.  Cost was 130 
>   pounds 
>   >   for 
>   >   > two.  Approx. 200 USD.   My mistake was not ordering all 
four 
>   at 
>   >   > once.  I ordered the front two and paid 60 pounds for 
>   shipping!  
>   >   Then 
>   >   > ordered the back two and paid aother 60 pounds shipping.  
Not 
>   smart!
>   >   > > 
>   >   > > The nice thing about them is that they are height 
adjustable 
>   AND 
>   >   > the damping is adjustable.  Perfect for those low cars.  I 
am 
>   quite 
>   >   > satisfied so far with the shocks.  I'm still playing with 
the 
>   >   > settings.
>   >   > > 
>   >   > > The biggest difference was replacing the springs with new 
>   ones.  
>   >   > Two rear springs were 36 pounds (18 pounds each) from Demon 
>   >   Tweeks.  
>   >   > Best to order the springs with the shocks from AVO and save 
the 
>   >   > shipping charge for multiple shipments.
>   >   > > 
>   >   > > Don Lattimer
>   >   > > #3m5759
>   >   > > Willits, CA
>   > 
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