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BOP 215/Rover V8 engine swap

BOP 215/Rover V8 engine swap

2006-11-02 by hide809rig169

My car,No.8001 with 2.8L V6 out of Mustang 2 (maybe Capri, trans. 
looks like t-5 but it is a 4 speed), I am having a hard time having 
speed part vendors respond to e-mails.  There are no cataloques that I 
know of, One and a half books out, but old information.  So I have a 
source with 2 or 3 215 Alumn. V8s cheap, free.  I know Marcos, later 
put Rover V8s in.  There must be a person on the list that knows about 
this swap.  I know I will need to fabricate "headers"for the V8. I 
have a set for my 2.8L.  What about hood clearance with a 4bbl?  
Ground clearance for oil pan for the V8 swap?  I was at a swap meet in 
Tucson, and see that T-5 transmissions are inexpensive and plentiful 
to put on a 215 and 2.8L.  There is a company called, D&D Fabrications 
on the net, they seem to have parts and information.  What do you 
think?  I know I can obtain "stock" rebuild parts for the 2.8L, but 
would like some compression, big valve heads and rocker arms.  By the 
way a T-5 swap for my car, appears to be rather staight forward 
(thanks to the Capri List).  I just got off the "Capri List", and I 
see others are having problems in getting parts.  This is why I'm 
thinking of BOP 215 swap.  Any ideas? Suggestions?
      Thanks, Steve V.  In Sierra Vista, AZ.

Re: BOP 215/Rover V8 engine swap

2006-11-02 by Don Lattimer

Have you checked with "Team Blitz" ??  Do a search on the UK forum 
for V8 swaps.

Don
#3M5759

--- In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, "hide809rig169" 
<hide809rig169@...> wrote:
>
> My car,No.8001 with 2.8L V6 out of Mustang 2 (maybe Capri, trans. 
> looks like t-5 but it is a 4 speed), I am having a hard time 
having 
> speed part vendors respond to e-mails.  There are no cataloques 
that I 
> know of, One and a half books out, but old information.  So I have 
a 
> source with 2 or 3 215 Alumn. V8s cheap, free.  I know Marcos, 
later 
> put Rover V8s in.  There must be a person on the list that knows 
about 
> this swap.  I know I will need to fabricate "headers"for the V8. I 
> have a set for my 2.8L.  What about hood clearance with a 4bbl?  
> Ground clearance for oil pan for the V8 swap?  I was at a swap 
meet in 
> Tucson, and see that T-5 transmissions are inexpensive and 
plentiful 
> to put on a 215 and 2.8L.  There is a company called, D&D 
Fabrications 
> on the net, they seem to have parts and information.  What do you 
> think?  I know I can obtain "stock" rebuild parts for the 2.8L, 
but 
> would like some compression, big valve heads and rocker arms.  By 
the 
> way a T-5 swap for my car, appears to be rather staight forward 
> (thanks to the Capri List).  I just got off the "Capri List", and 
I 
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> see others are having problems in getting parts.  This is why I'm 
> thinking of BOP 215 swap.  Any ideas? Suggestions?
>       Thanks, Steve V.  In Sierra Vista, AZ.
>

Re: [MarcosManiacs] BOP 215/Rover V8 engine swap

2006-11-02 by Donny Lang

Steve,
You have already figured out that the BOP 215s and the Rover 3.5, 3.9, 4.0. etc. are all the same base engine. I can't give too much info on your Ford 2.8, but I have been around the 215s for about 20 years or more. I think that the USA Ford 2.8 (Bronco/ Mustang) had better heads (bigger valves/better exhaust ports) than those used on the British contemporaries.
I am still collecting parts to convert my '70 Marcos 2.0 V4 to a 3.9 Rover. The mid 1980s Mantula used this driveline. I am going to use a LT77 5 speed (TR7/8, Rover SD1) because they are reletively plentiful and were used behind the Rover engine as a factory combination. I have a TR8 and am essentially duplicating that same driveline in my Marcos. The only issue I haven't resolved is a shorter shift housing to move the shifter forward. The rear axle ratio and width are the hard parts to match for the Marcos The TR8 has a 3:08 ratio but the Triumph axle is about 5" too wide for the Marcos, so I am narrowing it to fit.
The headers are available from Marcos Spares, but are expensive. I got a used set on eBay UK, and there was a set a couple months back here on eBay. Check out # 120034826073 to see what they look like. I understand the exhaust headers dictate the position and height of the engine. There should be room for a 4 bbl under the hood bulge with a low air cleaner and low profile intake. I plan on using either a stock Buick intake or an Offenhauser intake. Pan clearance shouldn't be an issue.
D&D is a great source of parts here in the US, but also try RPI in the UK. They have all the good stuff for the Rover/215. Let me know what you find for putting a T5 onto a Rover/215. These beasts have a very unique bellhousing bolt pattern that limit what trans will bolt up. The old BOP version bellhousing has the T10/ Muncie bolt pattern, and GM had a 5 speed that also fit (1970's Chev Monza,Camero), but I don't know much about them.
If you have more questions, let me know.
-Donny # 5514
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:20 PM
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] BOP 215/Rover V8 engine swap

My car,No.8001 with 2.8L V6 out of Mustang 2 (maybe Capri, trans.
looks like t-5 but it is a 4 speed), I am having a hard time having
speed part vendors respond to e-mails. There are no cataloques that I
know of, One and a half books out, but old information. So I have a
source with 2 or 3 215 Alumn. V8s cheap, free. I know Marcos, later
put Rover V8s in. There must be a person on the list that knows about
this swap. I know I will need to fabricate "headers"for the V8. I
have a set for my 2.8L. What about hood clearance with a 4bbl?
Ground clearance for oil pan for the V8 swap? I was at a swap meet in
Tucson, and see that T-5 transmissions are inexpensive and plentiful
to put on a 215 and 2.8L. There is a company called, D&D Fabrications
on the net, they seem to have parts and information. What do you
think? I know I can obtain "stock" rebuild parts for the 2.8L, but
would like some compression, big valve heads and rocker arms. By the
way a T-5 swap for my car, appears to be rather staight forward
(thanks to the Capri List). I just got off the "Capri List", and I
see others are having problems in getting parts. This is why I'm
thinking of BOP 215 swap. Any ideas? Suggestions?
Thanks, Steve V. In Sierra Vista, AZ.

Re: BOP 215/Rover V8 engine swap

2006-11-03 by hide809rig169

Mike
    Thanks for the reply on 3.5 engines.  I would very much be 
interested in photos of you engine compartment.  Headers, front 
engine mounts, front belt drives (AC compressor mountings) radiator 
and mounts. Anything you can spare.  Where is your AC evaporator 
mounted?  Where is the heater?  Do you have a defroster?  What do 
the AC controls look like?  No cars like mine out here so I am very 
curious what other cars look like.  I'm afraid I'm reaching a "dead 
end" on performance parts for my 2.8L V6, the engine in the car.  
Seems there is one source for performance parts in the USA and they 
are slow, or will not respond.
          Thanks,  Steve V.  In Arizona
 In MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com, Mike Sullivan <tvrm2001@...> 
wrote:
>
> I have a 85 Mantula #8153D with the 3.5 EFI in
> original condition (11K miles) that I would be willing
> to take plenty of photos to help with how things were
> layed out.  The car has A/C which appears to have
> required a change in the location of the Air flow
> meter and filter (which btw I don't know what was
> installed or where it was installed since there was no
> filter on the vehicle when purchased 11 years ago from
> classic in Florida)
> 
> --- Donny Lang <indigo@...> wrote:
> 
> > Steve, 
> > You have already figured out that the BOP 215s and
> > the Rover 3.5, 3.9, 4.0. etc. are all the same base
> > engine. I can't give too much info on your Ford 2.8,
> > but I have been around the 215s for about 20 years
> > or more. I think that the USA Ford 2.8 (Bronco/
> > Mustang) had better heads (bigger valves/better
> > exhaust ports) than those used on the British
> > contemporaries. 
> > I am still collecting parts to convert my '70 Marcos
> > 2.0 V4 to a 3.9 Rover. The mid 1980s Mantula used
> > this driveline. I am going to use a LT77 5 speed
> > (TR7/8, Rover SD1) because they are reletively
> > plentiful and were used behind the Rover engine as a
> > factory  combination. I have a TR8 and am
> > essentially duplicating that same driveline in my
> > Marcos. The only issue I haven't resolved is a
> > shorter shift housing to move the shifter forward.
> > The rear axle ratio and width are the hard parts to
> > match for the Marcos The TR8 has a 3:08 ratio but
> > the Triumph axle is about 5" too wide for the
> > Marcos, so I am narrowing it to fit. 
> > The headers are available from Marcos Spares, but
> > are expensive. I got a used set on eBay UK, and
> > there was a set a couple months back here on eBay.
> > Check out # 120034826073 to see what they look like.
> > I understand the exhaust headers dictate the
> > position and height of the engine. There should be
> > room for a 4 bbl under the hood bulge with a low air
> > cleaner and low profile intake. I plan on using
> > either a stock Buick intake or an Offenhauser
> > intake. Pan clearance shouldn't be an issue.  
> > D&D is a great source of parts here in the US, but
> > also try RPI in the UK. They have all the good stuff
> > for the Rover/215. Let me know what you find for
> > putting a T5 onto a Rover/215. These beasts have a
> > very unique bellhousing bolt pattern that limit what
> > trans will bolt up. The old BOP version bellhousing
> > has the T10/ Muncie bolt pattern, and GM had a 5
> > speed that also fit (1970's Chev Monza,Camero), but
> > I don't know much about them. 
> > If you have more questions, let me know. 
> > -Donny # 5514
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: hide809rig169 
> >   To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:20 PM
> >   Subject: [MarcosManiacs] BOP 215/Rover V8 engine
> > swap
> > 
> > 
> >   My car,No.8001 with 2.8L V6 out of Mustang 2
> > (maybe Capri, trans. 
> >   looks like t-5 but it is a 4 speed), I am having a
> > hard time having 
> >   speed part vendors respond to e-mails. There are
> > no cataloques that I 
> >   know of, One and a half books out, but old
> > information. So I have a 
> >   source with 2 or 3 215 Alumn. V8s cheap, free. I
> > know Marcos, later 
> >   put Rover V8s in. There must be a person on the
> > list that knows about 
> >   this swap. I know I will need to fabricate
> > "headers"for the V8. I 
> >   have a set for my 2.8L. What about hood clearance
> > with a 4bbl? 
> >   Ground clearance for oil pan for the V8 swap? I
> > was at a swap meet in 
> >   Tucson, and see that T-5 transmissions are
> > inexpensive and plentiful 
> >   to put on a 215 and 2.8L. There is a company
> > called, D&D Fabrications 
> >   on the net, they seem to have parts and
> > information. What do you 
> >   think? I know I can obtain "stock" rebuild parts
> > for the 2.8L, but 
> >   would like some compression, big valve heads and
> > rocker arms. By the 
> >   way a T-5 swap for my car, appears to be rather
> > staight forward 
> >   (thanks to the Capri List). I just got off the
> > "Capri List", and I 
> >   see others are having problems in getting parts.
> > This is why I'm 
> >   thinking of BOP 215 swap. Any ideas? Suggestions?
> >   Thanks, Steve V. In Sierra Vista, AZ.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
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