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Rear Screens (window)

2008-11-11 by balloonblack70

I had a crack  in my plexiglass rear screen so I recently decided to 
get a real glass one . With the lelp of Paul Crocker of the Marcos Club 
in England I had 3 made and shipped air freight. They all arrived 
unbroken. I plan to keep one as a spare but would like to sell the 
other one. My cost was $695.OO per screen(Shipping was expensive but 
worth it).
The sceen is in Colorado Springs so shipping from here would have to be 
calculated. The screen I put in my car had a couple of small scatches 
when the plastic protector was removed. The other may have this also. I 
don't plan to remove the plastic.
If anyone is interested let me know. My car is a 1970 3L Volvo.
Bill Black
3V5680

Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

2008-11-13 by braemar50

Hello, Real glass would be a structural benefit - I wonder did the build process include a mylar type film between two glass sheets for safety otherwise in an accident you'd have large glass shards coming at you - it's interesting because the original plexi/glass can be copied if intact by a simple 18 gage steel mold bent to accept temperature via placing 1/4 inch plexi/glass using an industrial heat gun  that heats about  400 deg F.  keeping some distance away  and fold to what you want  - then let cool - and by hand clamping gently the new form to the steel form and cutting around by hand using a 32 teeth per inch hack saw type blade - the heat gun is about $ 350.00 Canadian dollars. 

--- On Tue, 11/11/08, balloonblack70 <Balloonblack@...> wrote:
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Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 8:10 PM










    
            I had a crack  in my plexiglass rear screen so I recently decided to 

get a real glass one . With the lelp of Paul Crocker of the Marcos Club 

in England I had 3 made and shipped air freight. They all arrived 

unbroken. I plan to keep one as a spare but would like to sell the 

other one. My cost was $695.OO per screen(Shipping was expensive but 

worth it).

The sceen is in Colorado Springs so shipping from here would have to be 

calculated. The screen I put in my car had a couple of small scatches 

when the plastic protector was removed. The other may have this also. I 

don't plan to remove the plastic.

If anyone is interested let me know. My car is a 1970 3L Volvo.

Bill Black

3V5680




      

    
    
	
	 
	
	








	


	
	


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Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

2008-11-13 by Donny Lang

The original Marcos glass rear windows are made of tempered glass (as are the side windows) - the same as all modern cars sold from the 1960s through present. Upon severe impact, they completely break into very small fragments. The front windshield on my 1970 Marcos is also tempered glass, not laminated as I would have expected. I would be surprised to find these replacement rear windows to be anything other than tempered glass.
-Donny
----- Original Message -----
From: braemar50
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

Hello, Real glass would be a structural benefit - I wonder did the build process include a mylar type film between two glass sheets for safety otherwise in an accident you'd have large glass shards coming at you - it's interesting because the original plexi/glass can be copied if intact by a simple 18 gage steel mold bent to accept temperature via placing 1/4 inch plexi/glass using an industrial heat gun that heats about 400 deg F. keeping some distance away and fold to what you want - then let cool - and by hand clamping gently the new form to the steel form and cutting around by hand using a 32 teeth per inch hack saw type blade - the heat gun is about $ 350.00 Canadian dollars.

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From: balloonblack70 comcast.net>
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 8:10 PM

I had a crack in my plexiglass rear screen so I recently decided to
get a real glass one . With the lelp of Paul Crocker of the Marcos Club
in England I had 3 made and shipped air freight. They all arrived
unbroken. I plan to keep one as a spare but would like to sell the
other one. My cost was $695.OO per screen(Shipping was expensive but
worth it).
The sceen is in Colorado Springs so shipping from here would have to be
calculated. The screen I put in my car had a couple of small scatches
when the plastic protector was removed. The other may have this also. I
don't plan to remove the plastic.
If anyone is interested let me know. My car is a 1970 3L Volvo.
Bill Black
3V5680


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RE: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

2008-11-13 by Roger

For sure the new rear screen will not be plain glass that could break into
shards.   I believe all 3 litre Volvo powered cars that went to the USA had
glass rear screens.  I don't think the regulations here in USA allowed them
to be imported with plastic rear screens.

 

All the front screens I have ever bought were laminated glass not toughened.


 

Making a metal former to produce a rear window sounds like hard work!  We
usually make the former  from GRP by laying up inside an old screen.  It
really needs to be larger than the finished screen but that is not difficult
as the extra inch or so does not need to be so accurate. Just extend the old
screen with some strips of wax bought from your GRP supplier.

 

It is far simpler to take the former to somewhere that makes
Perspex/Plexiglass screens in volume. They will have an oven to heat the
sheet evenly and then it virtually just needs dropping over the former as
the bends are not that tight.  The former should be temporarily covered with
a piece of baize (same as billiard table skins). They will have this.  As
they buy the Perspex/Plexiglass  in volume usually it is cheaper to have
them do the whole job than it is to buy  a sheet of material.  Trying to
bend it with a heat gun sounds like a recipe for a wasted sheet of material
unless you are very lucky!

 

Roger Andreason

Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

2008-11-13 by martin

my glass rear screen is laminated
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

For sure the new rear screen will not be plain glass that could break into shards. I believe all 3 litre Volvo powered cars that went to the USA had glass rear screens. I don’t think the regulations here in USA allowed them to be imported with plastic rear screens.

All the front screens I have ever bought were laminated glass not toughened.

Making a metal former to produce a rear window sounds like hard work! We usually make the former from GRP by laying up inside an old screen. It really needs to be larger than the finished screen but that is not difficult as the extra inch or so does not need to be so accurate. Just extend the old screen with some strips of wax bought from your GRP supplier.

It is far simpler to take the former to somewhere that makes Perspex/Plexiglass screens in volume. They will have an oven to heat the sheet evenly and then it virtually just needs dropping over the former as the bends are not that tight. The former should be temporarily covered with a piece of baize (same as billiard table skins). They will have this. As they buy the Perspex/Plexiglass in volume usually it is cheaper to have them do the whole job than it is to buy a sheet of material. Trying to bend it with a heat gun sounds like a recipe for a wasted sheet of material unless you are very lucky!

Roger Andreason

Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

2008-11-13 by dcgrant@istar.ca

The regs were different back then. Mine is a 70 3 ltr Volvo LHD originally a 
USA imported into the state of NY before being exported to Edmonton AB, Canada 
and it had the original plexiglass rear screen. When I last replaced it many 
years ago when Marcos was still alive, the replacement from Marcos was a 
plexiglass unit.  The front replacement screen was a Heated laminated glass 
windshield.

Regards
Dwayne

 Quoting martin <martin-bull@...>:
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> my glass rear screen is laminated
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Roger 
>   To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:20 PM
>   Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)
> 
> 
> 
>   For sure the new rear screen will not be plain glass that could break into
> shards.   I believe all 3 litre Volvo powered cars that went to the USA had
> glass rear screens.  I don't think the regulations here in USA allowed them
> to be imported with plastic rear screens.
> 
> 
> 
>   All the front screens I have ever bought were laminated glass not
> toughened.  
> 
> 
> 
>   Making a metal former to produce a rear window sounds like hard work!  We
> usually make the former  from GRP by laying up inside an old screen.  It
> really needs to be larger than the finished screen but that is not difficult
> as the extra inch or so does not need to be so accurate. Just extend the old
> screen with some strips of wax bought from your GRP supplier.
> 
> 
> 
>   It is far simpler to take the former to somewhere that makes
> Perspex/Plexiglass screens in volume. They will have an oven to heat the
> sheet evenly and then it virtually just needs dropping over the former as the
> bends are not that tight.  The former should be temporarily covered with a
> piece of baize (same as billiard table skins). They will have this.  As they
> buy the Perspex/Plexiglass  in volume usually it is cheaper to have them do
> the whole job than it is to buy  a sheet of material.  Trying to bend it with
> a heat gun sounds like a recipe for a wasted sheet of material unless you are
> very lucky!
> 
> 
> 
>   Roger Andreason
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

RE: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

2008-11-13 by Roger

Well Dwayne, all I know is that when I was talking to Gem Marsh when the
straight 6 Volvo version first came out he told me that they had to get
glass rear screens  to comply with US regulations.

Maybe they only had one batch made and after the first car passed whatever
test was needed; then when they ran out of glass ones they went back to the
plastic ones which must have been a lot cheaper.

Roger A
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From: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of dcgrant@...
Sent: 13 November 2008 14:56
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com; martin
Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

 

The regs were different back then. Mine is a 70 3 ltr Volvo LHD originally a

USA imported into the state of NY before being exported to Edmonton AB,
Canada 
and it had the original plexiglass rear screen. When I last replaced it many

years ago when Marcos was still alive, the replacement from Marcos was a 
plexiglass unit. The front replacement screen was a Heated laminated glass 
windshield.

Regards
Dwayne

Quoting martin <martin-bull@...
<mailto:martin-bull%40blueyonder.co.uk> >:

> my glass rear screen is laminated
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Roger 
> To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MarcosManiacs%40yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:20 PM
> Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)
> 
> 
> 
> For sure the new rear screen will not be plain glass that could break into
> shards. I believe all 3 litre Volvo powered cars that went to the USA had
> glass rear screens. I don't think the regulations here in USA allowed them
> to be imported with plastic rear screens.
> 
> 
> 
> All the front screens I have ever bought were laminated glass not
> toughened. 
> 
> 
> 
> Making a metal former to produce a rear window sounds like hard work! We
> usually make the former from GRP by laying up inside an old screen. It
> really needs to be larger than the finished screen but that is not
difficult
> as the extra inch or so does not need to be so accurate. Just extend the
old
> screen with some strips of wax bought from your GRP supplier.
> 
> 
> 
> It is far simpler to take the former to somewhere that makes
> Perspex/Plexiglass screens in volume. They will have an oven to heat the
> sheet evenly and then it virtually just needs dropping over the former as
the
> bends are not that tight. The former should be temporarily covered with a
> piece of baize (same as billiard table skins). They will have this. As
they
> buy the Perspex/Plexiglass in volume usually it is cheaper to have them do
> the whole job than it is to buy a sheet of material. Trying to bend it
with
> a heat gun sounds like a recipe for a wasted sheet of material unless you
are
> very lucky!
> 
> 
> 
> Roger Andreason
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

 

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Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

2008-11-13 by Balloonblack@comcast.net

The windows I have are laminated glass. I owned a 3L Volvo from1971 to 1974 and it had a laminated glass rear screen that was original. I sold the car in Sausalito in 1974 when the Army transfered me to Virginia. 

Bill Black 

3V5680 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "martin" <martin-bull@...> 
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:21:23 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain 
Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window) 







my glass rear screen is laminated 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Roger 
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:20 PM 
Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window) 







For sure the new rear screen will not be plain glass that could break into shards.   I believe all 3 litre Volvo powered cars that went to the USA had glass rear screens.  I don’t think the regulations here in USA allowed them to be imported with plastic rear screens. 



All the front screens I have ever bought were laminated glass not toughened.  



Making a metal former to produce a rear window sounds like hard work!  We usually make the former  from GRP by laying up inside an old screen.  It really needs to be larger than the finished screen but that is not difficult as the extra inch or so does not need to be so accurate. Just extend the old screen with some strips of wax bought from your GRP supplier. 



It is far simpler to take the former to somewhere that makes Perspex/Plexiglass screens in volume. They will have an oven to heat the sheet evenly and then it virtually just needs dropping over the former as the bends are not that tight.  The former should be temporarily covered with a piece of baize (same as billiard table skins). They will have this.  As they buy the Perspex/Plexiglass  in volume usually it is cheaper to have them do the whole job than it is to buy  a sheet of material.  Trying to bend it with a heat gun sounds like a recipe for a wasted sheet of material unless you are very lucky! 



Roger Andreason

Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

2008-11-14 by Dwayne Grant

Roger:
I find this very interesting being that there seems to be so many variations of differnt parts with a lot of the Marcos Cars from that era.
In a letter I have from Jem Marsh dated August 13th, 1979, when I was getting my replacement front & rear screens along with some other misc replacement parts, he listed and priced the front windshield denoting that it was per American Standards priced then at L175.00 and the rear screen as the plexiglass priced at L45.00. At that time it also noted that the glass rear screen was available, but from at that time only from the Marcos Owners Club.
Anyways, just some trivia from all my records and files I have accumulated on my car that I have been the proud owner of since 1973.
Regards
Dwayne
3V5549
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From: Roger
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

Well Dwayne, all I know is that when I was talking to Gem Marsh when the straight 6 Volvo version first came out he told me that they had to get glass rear screens to comply with US regulations.

Maybe they only had one batch made and after the first car passed whatever test was needed; then when they ran out of glass ones they went back to the plastic ones which must have been a lot cheaper.

Roger A

From: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dcgrant@istar.ca
Sent: 13 November 2008 14:56
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com; martin
Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

The regs were different back then. Mine is a 70 3 ltr Volvo LHD originally a
USA imported into the state of NY before being exported to Edmonton AB, Canada
and it had the original plexiglass rear screen. When I last replaced it many
years ago when Marcos was still alive, the replacement from Marcos was a
plexiglass unit. The front replacement screen was a Heated laminated glass
windshield.

Regards
Dwayne

Quoting martin <martin-bull@blueyonder.co.uk>:

> my glass rear screen is laminated
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roger
> To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroupscom
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:20 PM
> Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)
>
>
>
> For sure the new rear screen will not be plain glass that could break into
> shards. I believe all 3 litre Volvo powered cars that went to the USA had
> glass rear screens. I don't think the regulations here in USA allowed them
> to be imported with plastic rear screens.
>
>
>;
> All the front screens I have ever bought were laminated glass not
> toughened.
>
>
>
> Making a metal former to produce a rear window sounds like hard work! We
> usually make the former from GRP by laying up inside an old screen. It
> really needs to be larger than the finished screen but that is not difficult
> as the extra inch or so does not need to be so accurate. Just extend the old
> screen with some strips of wax bought from your GRP supplier.
>
>
>
> It is far simpler to take the former to somewhere that makes
> Perspex/Plexiglass screens in volume. They will have an oven to heat the
> sheet evenly and then it virtually just needs dropping over the former as the
> bends are not that tight. The former should be temporarily covered with a
> piece of baize (same as billiard table skins). They will have this. As they
> buy the Perspex/Plexiglass in volume usually it is cheaper to have them do
> the whole job than it is to buy a sheet of material. Trying to bend it with
> a heat gun sounds like a recipe for a wasted sheet of material unless you are
> very lucky!
>
>
>
> Roger Andreason
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

2008-11-14 by Roger

Having run  a race car manufacturing business myself in the UK - the truth
is that with small companies there are always shortages of certain parts
and I know that the Marcos manufacture was just the same. The result is that
rarely are two cars identical when they come out of the factory.

 

Roger

 

From: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Dwayne Grant
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Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

2008-11-14 by larry meadows

Dwayne,
Where are you located?
I have a 1970 3l Marcos # 3V5536 that I have owned sense 1972. I too, have a running record of most of the differences on my car.
Larry
3V5536




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From: Dwayne Grant <dcgrant@...>
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:55:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)


Roger:
I find this very interesting being that there seems to be so many variations of differnt parts with a lot of the Marcos Cars from that era.
 
In a letter I have from Jem Marsh dated August 13th, 1979, when I was getting my replacement front & rear screens along with some other misc replacement parts, he listed and priced the front windshield denoting that it was per American Standards priced then at L175.00 and the rear screen as the plexiglass priced at L45.00.  At that time it also noted that the glass rear screen was available, but from at that time only from the Marcos Owners Club.

Anyways, just some trivia from all my records and files I have accumulated on my car that I have been the proud owner of since 1973.
 
Regards
Dwayne
3V5549 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Roger 
To: MarcosManiacs@ yahoogroups. com 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

Well Dwayne, all I know is that when I was talking to Gem Marsh when the straight 6 Volvo version first came out he told me that they had to get glass rear screens  to comply with US regulations.
Maybe they only had one batch made and after the first car passed whatever test was needed; then when they ran out of glass ones they went back to the plastic ones which must have been a lot cheaper.
Roger A
From:MarcosManiacs@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:MarcosMania cs@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of dcgrant@istar. ca
Sent: 13 November 2008 14:56
To: MarcosManiacs@ yahoogroups. com; martin
Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)
The regs were different back then. Mine is a 70 3 ltr Volvo LHD originally a 
USA imported into the state of NY before being exported to Edmonton AB, Canada 
and it had the original plexiglass rear screen. When I last replaced it many 
years ago when Marcos was still alive, the replacement from Marcos was a 
plexiglass unit. The front replacement screen was a Heated laminated glass 
windshield.

Regards
Dwayne

Quoting martin <martin-bull@ blueyonder. co.uk>:

> my glass rear screen is laminated
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Roger 
> To: MarcosManiacs@ yahoogroupscom 
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:20 PM
> Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)
> 
> 
> 
> For sure the new rear screen will not be plain glass that could break into
> shards. I believe all 3 litre Volvo powered cars that went to the USA had
> glass rear screens. I don't think the regulations here in USA allowed them
> to be imported with plastic rear screens.
> 
> 
> 
> All the front screens I have ever bought were laminated glass not
> toughened. 
> 
> 
> 
> Making a metal former to produce a rear window sounds like hard work! We
> usually make the former from GRP by laying up inside an old screen. It
> really needs to be larger than the finished screen but that is not difficult
> as the extra inch or so does not need to be so accurate. Just extend the old
> screen with some strips of wax bought from your GRP supplier.
> 
> 
> 
> It is far simpler to take the former to somewhere that makes
> Perspex/Plexiglass screens in volume. They will have an oven to heat the
> sheet evenly and then it virtually just needs dropping over the former as the
> bends are not that tight. The former should be temporarily covered with a
> piece of baize (same as billiard table skins). They will have this. As they
> buy the Perspex/Plexiglass in volume usually it is cheaper to have them do
> the whole job than it is to buy a sheet of material. Trying to bend it with
> a heat gun sounds like a recipe for a wasted sheet of material unless you are
> very lucky!
> 
> 
> 
> Roger Andreason
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

2008-11-14 by Roger

Hello Dwayne

 

I am in Florida at moment. Go UK next week for a week or so.  In 1972 I was
racing a Marcos in UK.

 

From: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of larry meadows
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Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

2008-11-14 by dcgrant@istar.ca

Larry:
I'm in Calgary, Alberta.
As a note: at one point in the the early 80's I was in discussions with Jem 
Marsh (Marcos) to sell Marcos Cars here, but the econonmics just didn't pan 
out. (82 was the oil crash here)

Dwayne
3V5549

Quoting larry meadows <lmeadowsw@...>:
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> Dwayne,
> Where are you located?
> I have a 1970 3l Marcos # 3V5536 that I have owned sense 1972. I too, have a
> running record of most of the differences on my car.
> Larry
> 3V5536
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Dwayne Grant <dcgrant@...>
> To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:55:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)
> 
> 
> Roger:
> I find this very interesting being that there seems to be so many variations
> of differnt parts with a lot of the Marcos Cars from that era.
> \ufffd
> In a letter I have from Jem Marsh dated August 13th, 1979, when I was getting
> my replacement front & rear screens along with some other misc replacement
> parts,\ufffdhe\ufffdlisted and priced\ufffdthe front\ufffdwindshield denoting that it was per
> American Standards priced then at\ufffdL175.00\ufffdand the rear screen\ufffdas the
> plexiglass priced at L45.00.\ufffd At that time it also noted that the glass rear
> screen was available, but from at that time only from the\ufffdMarcos Owners
> Club.
> 
> Anyways, just some\ufffdtrivia from all my records and files\ufffdI have accumulated on
> my car that I have been the proud owner of since 1973.
> \ufffd
> Regards
> Dwayne
> 3V5549\ufffd
> \ufffd
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Roger 
> To: MarcosManiacs@ yahoogroups. com 
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)
> 
> Well Dwayne, all I know is that when I was talking to Gem Marsh when the
> straight 6 Volvo version first came out he told me that they had to get glass
> rear screens\ufffd to comply with US regulations.
> Maybe they only had one batch made and after the first car passed whatever
> test was needed; then when they ran out of glass ones they went back to the
> plastic ones which must have been a lot cheaper.
> Roger A
> From:MarcosManiacs@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:MarcosMania cs@yahoogroups. com]
> On Behalf Of dcgrant@istar. ca
> Sent: 13 November 2008 14:56
> To: MarcosManiacs@ yahoogroups. com; martin
> Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)
> The regs were different back then. Mine is a 70 3 ltr Volvo LHD originally a
> 
> USA imported into the state of NY before being exported to Edmonton AB,
> Canada 
> and it had the original plexiglass rear screen. When I last replaced it many
> 
> years ago when Marcos was still alive, the replacement from Marcos was a 
> plexiglass unit. The front replacement screen was a Heated laminated glass 
> windshield.
> 
> Regards
> Dwayne
> 
> Quoting martin <martin-bull@ blueyonder. co.uk>:
> 
> > my glass rear screen is laminated
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Roger 
> > To: MarcosManiacs@ yahoogroupscom 
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:20 PM
> > Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > For sure the new rear screen will not be plain glass that could break into
> > shards. I believe all 3 litre Volvo powered cars that went to the USA had
> > glass rear screens. I don't think the regulations here in USA allowed them
> > to be imported with plastic rear screens.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > All the front screens I have ever bought were laminated glass not
> > toughened. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Making a metal former to produce a rear window sounds like hard work! We
> > usually make the former from GRP by laying up inside an old screen. It
> > really needs to be larger than the finished screen but that is not
> difficult
> > as the extra inch or so does not need to be so accurate. Just extend the
> old
> > screen with some strips of wax bought from your GRP supplier.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It is far simpler to take the former to somewhere that makes
> > Perspex/Plexiglass screens in volume. They will have an oven to heat the
> > sheet evenly and then it virtually just needs dropping over the former as
> the
> > bends are not that tight. The former should be temporarily covered with a
> > piece of baize (same as billiard table skins). They will have this. As
> they
> > buy the Perspex/Plexiglass in volume usually it is cheaper to have them do
> > the whole job than it is to buy a sheet of material. Trying to bend it
> with
> > a heat gun sounds like a recipe for a wasted sheet of material unless you
> are
> > very lucky!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Roger Andreason
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)

2008-11-14 by larry meadows

Dwayne,
I the early '80's, I did some rear wind screens and Marcos silk screened T-shirts for Bob Boston in Alfaretta Ga. He also tried the market by importing a couple kits from Jem. He sold parts for awile, then I lost track of him.

Regards
Larry
3V5536

 



________________________________
From: "dcgrant@..." <dcgrant@...>
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:44:38 AM
Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)


Larry:
I'm in Calgary, Alberta.
As a note: at one point in the the early 80's I was in discussions with Jem 
Marsh (Marcos) to sell Marcos Cars here, but the econonmics just didn't pan 
out. (82 was the oil crash here)

Dwayne
3V5549

Quoting larry meadows <lmeadowsw@yahoo. com>:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Dwayne,
> Where are you located?
> I have a 1970 3l Marcos # 3V5536 that I have owned sense 1972. I too, have a
> running record of most of the differences on my car.
> Larry
> 3V5536
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Dwayne Grant <dcgrant@istar. ca>
> To: MarcosManiacs@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:55:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)
> 
> 
> Roger:
> I find this very interesting being that there seems to be so many variations
> of differnt parts with a lot of the Marcos Cars from that era.
>  
> In a letter I have from Jem Marsh dated August 13th, 1979, when I was getting
> my replacement front & rear screens along with some other misc replacement
> parts, he listed and priced the front windshield denoting that it was per
> American Standards priced then at L175.00 and the rear screen as the
> plexiglass priced at L45.00.  At that time it also noted that the glass rear
> screen was available, but from at that time only from the Marcos Owners
> Club.
> 
> Anyways, just some trivia from all my records and files I have accumulated on
> my car that I have been the proud owner of since 1973.
>  
> Regards
> Dwayne
> 3V5549 
>  
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Roger 
> To: MarcosManiacs@ yahoogroups. com 
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)
> 
> Well Dwayne, all I know is that when I was talking to Gem Marsh when the
> straight 6 Volvo version first came out he told me that they had to get glass
> rear screens  to comply with US regulations.
> Maybe they only had one batch made and after the first car passed whatever
> test was needed; then when they ran out of glass ones they went back to the
> plastic ones which must have been a lot cheaper.
> Roger A
> From:MarcosManiacs@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:MarcosMania cs@yahoogroups. com]
> On Behalf Of dcgrant@istar. ca
> Sent: 13 November 2008 14:56
> To: MarcosManiacs@ yahoogroups. com; martin
> Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)
> The regs were different back then. Mine is a 70 3 ltr Volvo LHD originally a
> 
> USA imported into the state of NY before being exported to Edmonton AB,
> Canada 
> and it had the original plexiglass rear screen. When I last replaced it many
> 
> years ago when Marcos was still alive, the replacement from Marcos was a 
> plexiglass unit. The front replacement screen was a Heated laminated glass 
> windshield.
> 
> Regards
> Dwayne
> 
> Quoting martin <martin-bull@ blueyonder. co.uk>:
> 
> > my glass rear screen is laminated
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Roger 
> > To: MarcosManiacs@ yahoogroupscom 
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:20 PM
> > Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Rear Screens (window)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > For sure the new rear screen will not be plain glass that could break into
> > shards. I believe all 3 litre Volvo powered cars that went to the USA had
> > glass rear screens. I don't think the regulations here in USA allowed them
> > to be imported with plastic rear screens.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > All the front screens I have ever bought were laminated glass not
> > toughened. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Making a metal former to produce a rear window sounds like hard work! We
> > usually make the former from GRP by laying up inside an old screen. It
> > really needs to be larger than the finished screen but that is not
> difficult
> > as the extra inch or so does not need to be so accurate. Just extend the
> old
> > screen with some strips of wax bought from your GRP supplier.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It is far simpler to take the former to somewhere that makes
> > Perspex/Plexiglass screens in volume. They will have an oven to heat the
> > sheet evenly and then it virtually just needs dropping over the former as
> the
> > bends are not that tight. The former should be temporarily covered with a
> > piece of baize (same as billiard table skins). They will have this. As
> they
> > buy the Perspex/Plexiglass in volume usually it is cheaper to have them do
> > the whole job than it is to buy a sheet of material. Trying to bend it
> with
> > a heat gun sounds like a recipe for a wasted sheet of material unless you
> are
> > very lucky!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Roger Andreason
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com
> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1779 - Release Date: 11/13/2008
> 9:12 AM 
> 
> 
>

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