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MkII tapes

2002-11-15 by MAinPsych@aol.com

Just an idea...

Something occured to me as I was looking at Ken M.'s pics of the MkII 
tape-changing process that might preserve that first station of sounds.  
Rather than cut the tape being changed at the location where you were 
instructed, couldn't the tapes be moved forward, lined up with station 2's 
initial transient marks lined up over the heads, and the cut measured and 
made at the back of the rear roller? Then with the tapes lined back up to 
station 1 (with the tape being replaced left loose, e.g., not taken up on the 
front roller) the new tape attached to the old (in its entirety) could be 
pulled through. This might add a little extra time to the process, but would 
preserve all six stations for possible mounting on a 400 frame.  
Martin/Ken/Bob/Jerry/other MkII owners, what do you think?  It's late, and 
I'm tired, but I hope the general idea came through.

Frank Samagaio
M400 #908

Re: [Mellotronists] MkII tapes

2002-11-15 by kenmerb@aol.com

In a message dated 11/15/02 1:07:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
MAinPsych@... writes:



> 
> 
> Something occured to me as I was looking at Ken M.'s pics of the MkII 
> tape-changing process that might preserve that first station of sounds.  
> Rather than cut the tape being changed at the location where you were 
> instructed, couldn't the tapes be moved forward, lined up with station 2's 
> initial transient marks lined up over the heads, and the cut measured and 
> made at the back of the rear roller? Then with the tapes lined back up to 
> station 1 (with the tape being replaced left loose, e.g., not taken up on 
> the front roller) the new tape attached to the old (in its entirety) could 
> be pulled through. This might add a little extra time to the process, but 
> would preserve all six stations for possible mounting on a 400 frame.  
> Martin/Ken/Bob/Jerry/other MkII owners, what do you think?  It's late, and 
> I'm tired, but I hope the general idea came through.
> 


Frank,

     I'm not 100% sure about the method you mention here, but for me, after 
it was all said and done, the only real advantage to saving the old tapes was 
that it kept things neat and orderly.  While working on this, tapes on the 
reel are better than tapes lying all over the place.

     The reason I say this is because after I changed the tapes I realized I 
probably wouldn't use them.   First of all,  to get the tapes off the MKII, 
you really "manhandle" them - pulling and tugging them to unroll the old 
tapes from the rear drum, sometimes stretching them a little.  Then your 
fingers and hands are all over the recorded side, which isn't good for the 
sound.  Only the first bank has the "sound start" marks, so you'd have to 
somehow mark the sound starts on the other 5 banks, and you wouldn't easily 
know where to cut them either, because the bank start marks are only on the 
index tape.  And I probably demagged some of those tapes with my *accidently 
magnetized* screwdriver getting them out.  Finally, this is the old tape 
stock - knowing that the good EMI tape stock is available, I'd now spring for 
a new set.  All this didn't occur to me *before* I saved the tapes.  For me, 
it's just not feasible for me to reuse them.
Too much work, questionable results.  Possible, yes, feasible, no.

Regarding the loss of the bank 1 tapes - when I started, I didn't care about 
those because I had the same sounds in another M400 tape frame.  I would have 
gotten creative if I wanted to save them.

But, it's good to think about these things.  I was trying to come up with a 
way where you didn't have to cut the tapes at all, but I went with Martin's 
method because it seemed like the best way.

Ken M.

Re: [Mellotronists] MkII tapes

2002-11-19 by J.K.Beresford

Hi Frank,
Yeah using the standard method of replacing tapes that are 
already in situ does tend to bugger them up! If you really want to 
preserve them first mark on the station start positions on each 
tape with a china-graph pencil (cycle to each station and mark 
above the heads) then the best way is to remove each tape 
completely in tact onto an empty reel. That means lacing the fresh 
tapes through the turnbuckles from above with something like 
martins "special patent-pocking device" which I'm sure you've 
seen. Bit of a faff really.
John

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Subject:        	[Mellotronists] MkII tapes

Just an idea...

Something occured to me as I was looking at Ken M.'s pics 
of the MkII tape-changing process that might preserve 
that first station of sounds. Rather than cut the tape 
being changed at the location where you were instructed, 
couldn't the tapes be moved forward, lined up with station 
2's initial transient marks lined up over the heads, and the 
cut measured and made at the back of the rear roller? 
Then with the tapes lined back up to station 1 (with the 
tape being replaced left loose, e.g., not taken up on the 
front roller) the new tape attached to the old (in its 
entirety) could be pulled through. This might add a little 
extra time to the process, but would preserve all six 
stations for possible mounting on a 400 frame. 
Martin/Ken/Bob/Jerry/other MkII owners, what do you 
think? It's late, and I'm tired, but I hope the general 
idea came through.

Frank Samagaio
M400 #908
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