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Re: [Mellotronists] stuff

2003-01-01 by ferrograph@aol.com

>>it's very brash.  It's not distorted, it's just IN YOUR FACE, especially 
the 3 Violins<<

it probably is clipping slightly. un-processed 'tron can get quite hot 
(another 3dB per note), and anything that will absorb some of this without 
actually clipping it is going to have the effect of "warming" the sound. as a 
point of interest, I have almost always run 1098 straight into our desks, 
with no compression, and it's almost always been the one fader we have to 
keep a close eye on. any of the "traditional" 'tron treatments will reduce 
the effect to some degree but a guitar amp on a clean setting, or a 
compressor pedal intended for guitar/bass will usually do the job. 
backing off the tone control may seem counterintuitive given the nature of 
the instrument (i.e. it's supposed to be playing back tapes as honestly as 
possible, for that is what tape machines do), but we've found it to be as 
useful a control as the equivalent on a guitar. essential with the oboe, for 
sure.

now- cast yer minds back: a bbc show in the 70s called "swapshop"; I saw a 
tiny bit of the show that originally went out on or around 14th feb one year 
(theme was valentine's day); may have been 75 or 81 by my reckoning. in the 
back of one shot was a bbc-regulation-grey-painted mk2, an sfx machine 
obviously, being used as little more than set-dressing. does anyone on the 
list know how many machines were at the bbc in total, and how many were 
rescued from this ignominy? and what's this about some 400's being used for 
spot-effects? were they set up differently?

on ian's flute: I have sampled it from my rack, but only so we wouldn't have 
to worry about schlepping same to the US.... as it turned out, we could've 
safely installed the "streetly/salley new classic combo" in one of gene's 
machines (gene, you've gone all quiet) but instead we used an alesis s4+ with 
a custom ram-card. if you haven't heard this flute.... it's the one that you 
can hear on ITCOTKC. it really is almost as if the flute on the album was a 
'tron to start with, and the tapes have been rediscovered.

on mains leads for 400's: those round bulgin connectors are nasty things. 
they are also found on older marshalls and have screw terminals which work 
loose. you then have the possibility of the three wires from your wall socket 
all being loose and exposed inside the brittle plastic cover. I hate the 
things, not least for the belt I got (aged eleven or twelve) from the one out 
the back of my treasured vortexion 4>1 mixer which wasn't firing up. I 
unscrewed the cover and got hold of it to give the cable a tug and see if 
anything was loose... while the other end was still plugged in.... so I had 
hold of all three connectors at once. lucky to be here now. older and wiser. 
my 'tron power lead has one of those old-lady plugs at the wall-end; a UK 13A 
connector with a finger grip moulded on. it looks sufficiently distinctive 
that I've managed never to forget to pack it. I also carry a spare bulgin 
plug in the tool kit, and gave another one to andy so's he could do likewise. 
god knows where you'd get one now- martin? 

duncan/r.m.i./400nr1098

Re: [Mellotronists] stuff

2003-01-02 by Colin Crawford

On Wednesday, January 1, 2003, at 09:22  pm, ferrograph@... wrote:
>
>
> now- cast yer minds back: a bbc show in the 70s called "swapshop"; I 
> saw a
> tiny bit of the show that originally went out on or around 14th feb 
> one year
> (theme was valentine's day); may have been 75 or 81 by my reckoning. 
> in the
> back of one shot was a bbc-regulation-grey-painted mk2, an sfx machine
> obviously, being used as little more than set-dressing. does anyone on 
> the
> list know how many machines were at the bbc in total, and how many were
> rescued from this ignominy? and what's this about some 400's being 
> used for
> spot-effects? were they set up differently?
>

Hmm... Not so sure... I seem to recall the Mellotron, indeed an SFX 
machine, featuring in its own regular slot on the programme, and even 
being referred to by its trade-name.... I'll have a word with a 
Kids'-TV- anorak friend of mine, and email you further details!.

Best,

CC

RE: [Mellotronists] stuff

2003-01-02 by Gene Stopp

Hi Duncan and all,

Happy new year to everybody! Sorry for having "gone all quiet"... the last
couple weeks of the year mainly consist of getting pulled in all directions
at once by young children, taking them to the snow, entertaining visitors,
etc. etc. The poor Mellotrons have gone all quite too, sitting peacefully
until such time as I can crawl around in the garage re-connecting the PA
without getting my wife too concerned that I'm not spending enough time
being a dad. But I must keep her happy - she is quite a fan of Mellotrons,
her favorite album of all time is "Photos of Ghosts" by PFM. And my youngest
daughters' (4 and 6) favorite song is "Flood at Lyons" by Renaissance, in
all of its Mellotron mixed choir glory. They force us to play it over and
over whenever we are driving somewhere, sing it in the bathtub, etc. It's
pretty scary. What have I done? To top things off my wife has been very good
to me lately - I got a book called "Analog Days" (yay!) for Christmas, plus
Frank's Mellotron book (double yay!) and for my birthday before Christmas my
wife presented me with (dare I say it?) Minimoog Voyager #231 (triple yay!).
This dual-income thing comes in handy sometimes :) I guess I'd better go out
and play the lottery, cuz I'm feeling pretty lucky right now.

Back to Mellotrons - I've got the urge to buy new tapes from Streetly (hi
guys!) but currently stalled by finances. I had to one-up my wife by buying
her the dream sewing machine she has been pining for, for a price that would
have purchased a Mark VI with some left over (!). This has got to stop. The
Russian Choir is a prime candidate, along with the Ian flutes, and let's
see... what else... hey how about the Ted Taylor choir?

I am about to contact Alfonso in Mexico who desparately wants to purchase an
M400 for his arsenal to support his yearly Baja Prog show. PFM and Focus
will be there this year (coming in March - needless to say my wife is quite
excited by this). So any help from this lovely list in hooking him up with a
'tron would be most appreciated. As it is I suspect that I will be asked to
bring along one or two 400's and hope that border customs doesn't give us
too much trouble.

Fortunately over the holidays I did get the opportunity to dig out some old
vinyl and blast it through the house whilst cleaning. Inspired by recent
Mellotron list discussions this included Il Balletto di Bronzo (who played
at Baja Prog last year) and England's Garden Shed. Thanks for reminding me
guys (and girls)!

Best Regards,

- Gene

M400S #1023
M400S #1213
M400S #1289
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From: ferrograph@... [mailto:ferrograph@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 1:23 PM
To: mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] stuff



on ian's flute: I have sampled it from my rack, but only so we wouldn't have

to worry about schlepping same to the US.... as it turned out, we could've 
safely installed the "streetly/salley new classic combo" in one of gene's 
machines (gene, you've gone all quiet) but instead we used an alesis s4+
with 
a custom ram-card. if you haven't heard this flute.... it's the one that you

can hear on ITCOTKC. it really is almost as if the flute on the album was a 
'tron to start with, and the tapes have been rediscovered.

Re: [Mellotronists] stuff

2003-01-03 by J.K.Beresford

According to the resources manager at the Beeb they had 6 Mkiis, 
A mahog one (presumably the original SFX prototype) and the rest 
in grey. They were all sold off painfully cheaply in the early 80's 
sob..sob!! I don't know how many of the grey-painted SFX  M400s 
the Beeb had if any at all. I spoke to one guy who clearly 
remembered "touching up" some Wimbledon recordings with a SFX 
console ready for broadcast!
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> 
> now- cast yer minds back: a bbc show in the 70s called "swapshop"; I saw a 
> tiny bit of the show that originally went out on or around 14th feb one year 
> (theme was valentine's day); may have been 75 or 81 by my reckoning. in the 
> back of one shot was a bbc-regulation-grey-painted mk2, an sfx machine 
> obviously, being used as little more than set-dressing. does anyone on the 
> list know how many machines were at the bbc in total, and how many were 
> rescued from this ignominy? and what's this about some 400's being used for 
> spot-effects? were they set up differently?
>

[Mellotronists] stuff

2003-01-03 by tron@blackcat.demon.co.uk

> Russian Choir is a prime candidate, along with the Ian flutes, and
> let's see... what else... hey how about the Ted Taylor choir?

An absolute must (IMO) is the new Hackett guitar. Another is the new
cor anglais/oboe split.

Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/

RE: [Mellotronists] stuff

2003-01-03 by Gene Stopp

Thanks, Mike! I do like that idea. I guess I'd better go audition the sounds
again from the Streetly site. So Russian Choir, Hackett guitar, cor
anglais/oboe split - what would fit well together on A, B, and C?

Hey - anybody going to NAMM?

Best Regards,

- Gene
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From: tron@... [mailto:tron@...]
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 3:04 AM
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Mellotronists] stuff


> Russian Choir is a prime candidate, along with the Ian flutes, and
> let's see... what else... hey how about the Ted Taylor choir?

An absolute must (IMO) is the new Hackett guitar. Another is the new
cor anglais/oboe split.

Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/

Re: [Mellotronists] stuff

2003-01-03 by Rick Blechta

Gene,

If I can get a word in here, you might want to consider auditioning
"Orchestra" or "Gothic" which, while older sound, were not generally
available. Gothic, in fact, was a serendipitous mixing mistake by Les
Bradley. Both sounds are absolutely monstrous. At a recent wedding gig,
the guys I was playing with talked me into dragging the FX console along
with me to play a couple of tunes. The happy couple asked if we would
play "TCOTCK" (at a wedding??), so we obliged, and I felt compelled by
the occasion to use Orchestra (mainly because both my flutes and the 3
violins are on the other keyboard and all on different stations (it was
only a 4-piece band, so no real flute).

To make a long story short, none of the other musicians had heard my
mellotron since I'd had Streetly put up a full set of tapes when it was
restored (I formerly used it with two 400 sets -- six voices). The
guitar player turned around with a totally stunned expression and asked,
"What the #$@^* have you done to that thing??" We did the job right and
received enthusiastic applause from the under-50 guests and very puzzled
expressions from the grandparents.

In short, either of the sounds is well worth having. Mike's other
suggestions are dead on, too. Looks like you may be looking at two
frames here, old man!

Rick -- FX 10030 (How come I wasn't listed as being at the BBC?)

Gene Stopp wrote:
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>  Thanks, Mike! I do like that idea. I guess I'd better go audition the
> sounds
> again from the Streetly site. So Russian Choir, Hackett guitar, cor
> anglais/oboe split - what would fit well together on A, B, and C?
>
> Hey - anybody going to NAMM?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> - Gene
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tron@... [mailto:tron@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 3:04 AM
> To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Mellotronists] stuff
>
>
> > Russian Choir is a prime candidate, along with the Ian flutes, and
> > let's see... what else... hey how about the Ted Taylor choir?
>
> An absolute must (IMO) is the new Hackett guitar. Another is the new
> cor anglais/oboe split.

RE: [Mellotronists] stuff

2003-01-03 by Gene Stopp

I am truly travelling down a dangerous road here. The wheels upstairs are
turning...

Live Mellotron-laced Crimson at a wedding? Very cool. Any wedding videos
made?

Best Regards,

- Gene
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From: Rick Blechta [mailto:rick@...]
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] stuff


Gene, 
If I can get a word in here, you might want to consider auditioning
"Orchestra" or "Gothic" which, while older sound, were not generally
available. Gothic, in fact, was a serendipitous mixing mistake by Les
Bradley. Both sounds are absolutely monstrous. At a recent wedding gig, the
guys I was playing with talked me into dragging the FX console along with me
to play a couple of tunes. The happy couple asked if we would play "TCOTCK"
(at a wedding??), so we obliged, and I felt compelled by the occasion to use
Orchestra (mainly because both my flutes and the 3 violins are on the other
keyboard and all on different stations (it was only a 4-piece band, so no
real flute). 
To make a long story short, none of the other musicians had heard my
mellotron since I'd had Streetly put up a full set of tapes when it was
restored (I formerly used it with two 400 sets -- six voices). The guitar
player turned around with a totally stunned expression and asked, "What the
#$@^* have you done to that thing??" We did the job right and received
enthusiastic applause from the under-50 guests and very puzzled expressions
from the grandparents. 
In short, either of the sounds is well worth having. Mike's other
suggestions are dead on, too. Looks like you may be looking at two frames
here, old man! 
Rick -- FX 10030 (How come I wasn't listed as being at the BBC?)

Re: [Mellotronists] stuff

2003-01-03 by Rick Blechta

Gene Stopp wrote:

>  I am truly travelling down a dangerous road here. The wheels upstairs
> are
> turning...
>
> Live Mellotron-laced Crimson at a wedding? Very cool. Any wedding
> videos
> made?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> - Gene
>

Sadly, the videographer had ducked out to have a smoke -- or something.
The really interesting part was that we had to play another request
immediately after: Spanish Eyes. (How's that for a switch in
repertoire?) I used the Mandolin voice to great effect in that. (It's
also great in "La Donna Mobile" from Rigoletto which we also played (It
was an Italian wedding) Normally, I hate wedding gigs, but I have a lot
more fun with the mellotron on hand.

It's not the first time I've done it, though. I also played Chris Dale's
400 for his wedding and also at the reception. Pipe organ and 3-violins
makes a pretty awesome combination.

Rick -- FX10030 (How come I didn't get any cake?)

PS But check out Orchestra and Gothic on Streetly's site before you make
any rash decisions. Either would be great with Russian Choir. The Cor
anglias/Oboe split I can say in all modesty is brilliant (even if the
player is a goof). Then there is the Hackett Guitar (the Belew Guitar
for that matter, too). Of course for that "Epitaph" moment, you can't go
wrong with Bass Clarinet (Martinge guarantees it will move your bowels
at loud volumes. He must have tried it.), then you might want to
consider...

Streetly has done an amazing and laudible job expanding the mellotron
library. What a minute! Did I actually compliment Martin? Oh my God.
Honestly, I really didn't mean it!

[Mellotronists] stuff

2003-01-03 by tron@blackcat.demon.co.uk

Gene Stopp wrote:

>  Thanks, Mike! I do like that idea. I guess I'd better go audition the
> sounds again from the Streetly site. So Russian Choir, Hackett guitar,
> cor anglais/oboe split - what would fit well together on A, B, and C?

Those are three sounds that really can't be blended in any combination,
as far as I can tell. They all sound *outstanding*, though. One caveat;
keep the Russian choir away from lower bandwidth sounds (like the cor
anglais/oboe) since tape 'crossover' will cause leakage from one track
to another. Not much you can do about this, without throttling the
sound.

Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/

Re: [Mellotronists] stuff

2003-01-03 by Rick Blechta

Mike,

I have to disagree. I'm assuming that the Russian choir is, well, Russian, and the cor anglais/oboe player, Senia Trubashnik is Russian so they ought to blend very well -- assuming they haven't all got into the vodka again...

I've often felt like throttling this particular oboist, by the way.

Rick -- FX 10030

tron@... wrote:

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Those are three sounds that really can't be blended in any combination,
as far as I can tell. They all sound *outstanding*, though. One caveat;
keep the Russian choir away from lower bandwidth sounds (like the cor
anglais/oboe) since tape 'crossover' will cause leakage from one track
to another. Not much you can do about this, without throttling the
sound.

Mike Dickson

[Mellotronists] stuff

2003-01-04 by tron@blackcat.demon.co.uk

> I've often felt like throttling this particular oboist, by the way.

Because?

Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/

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