Beatles Mellotron...
2003-02-18 by phlizmo@onebox.com
-- derrick espino phlizmo@... - email (925) 695-2020 x7367 - voicemail/fax I am positive that there is no Mellotron whatsoever on Sgt Peppers but if anyone can offer a suspicious sounding track I would love to hear your opinion.. THere is definitly 3 Violins and Trombone and Flutes on "flying" from Magical Mystery Tour but i think thats about it from the Pepper era other than Strawberry Fields.. Tron doesnt resurface until Bungalow Bill's Mandolin and Trombone and the 3 violins and flutes of Revolution Number 9... I think that should do it for the Beatles use of Tron.. Any Beatle fans out there have any others? Derrick Espino
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There are 15 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. the earliest so far!
From: "Philip <philipjamesjohnston@...>" <philipjamesjohnston@...>
2. Confirm that mandolin!
From: "Philip <philipjamesjohnston@...>" <philipjamesjohnston@...>
3. RE: Confirm that mandolin!
From: "Andy Thompson" <andy.thompson@...>
4. RE: Re: John Hawken
From: "Andy Thompson" <andy.thompson@...>
5. RE: Early Recordings
From: "Andy Thompson" <andy.thompson@...>
6. Stones & the Mellotron 1968
From: "Philip <philipjamesjohnston@...>" <philipjamesjohnston@...>
7. Early Recordings/The Hollies
From: "mellotrongirl <mellotrongirl@...>" <mellotrongirl@...>
8. the (almost) complete list
From: dko4342@...
9. Re: Re: John Hawken
From: "Aidan Clark" <aidan@...>
10. Re: Re: John Hawken
From: "Aidan Clark" <aidan@...>
11. Early recordings
From: "J.K.Beresford" <j.k.beresford@...>
12. RE: the (almost) complete list
From: "Andy Thompson" <andy.thompson@...>
13. RE: Re: John Hawken
From: "Andy Thompson" <andy.thompson@...>
14. Re: Early recordings
From: "J.K.Beresford" <j.k.beresford@...>
15. Anoraks at the ready!
From: "Philip <philipjamesjohnston@...>" <philipjamesjohnston@...>
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:57:49 -0000
From: "Philip <philipjamesjohnston@...>" <philipjamesjohnston@...>
Subject: the earliest so far!
Hi there!
From what I've read from the internet The Graham Bond
Organisation's 'Lease on Love' single from 1965 is the earliest use
of Mellotron on record followed by the album 'There's a Bond Between
us' also from 1965.
Manfred Mann(check out the song 'each others company' from 1966 for
some great 3 violins, brass? and mandolin) and The Moody Blues appear
to be the only other bands to use Mellotron before 'Strawberry Fields
Forever' and the flood gates of 1967.
Surely there must be more? Maybe a dodgy single by some unknown
crooner or something?
Best wishes
Philip
(would love to own a mellotron, but cannae afford one!)
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:25:11 -0000
From: "Philip <philipjamesjohnston@...>" <philipjamesjohnston@...>
Subject: Confirm that mandolin!
Hello again!
Just been listeneing to the Rolling Stones 'Beggars Banquet' and
noticed that it contained two tracks with Mellotron on it.
Stray cat blues has a virtually un-audible use of mixed brass by
Brian Jones in a similar style to the 'We Love You' single.
I also noticed that the song 'Factory Girl' features MK II mandolin,
You'll have to listening carefully though because it's mixed in with
a real fiddle, but it's definitely there.
Does Andy Thompson welcome such info for his Mellotron web sight?
Philip
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:00:38 -0000
From: "Andy Thompson" <andy.thompson@...>
Subject: RE: Confirm that mandolin!
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From: Philip <philipjamesjohnston@...>
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Sent: 16 February 2003 18:25
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Mellotronists] Confirm that mandolin!
Philip/all
Just been listeneing to the Rolling Stones 'Beggars Banquet' and
noticed that it contained two tracks with Mellotron on it.
Stray cat blues has a virtually un-audible use of mixed brass by
Brian Jones in a similar style to the 'We Love You' single.
I also noticed that the song 'Factory Girl' features MK II mandolin,
You'll have to listening carefully though because it's mixed in with
a real fiddle, but it's definitely there.
Does Andy Thompson welcome such info for his Mellotron web sight?
He certainly does! Many thanks for that - I'll go back to the album and give
it a closer listen. Some time back, someone told me they thought they could
hear it towards the end of 'Jigsaw Puzzle' as well.
Andy T.
M400 #1145
'The Ultimate Mellotron Recordings List (Possibly)'
http://freespace.virgin.net/andy.thompson/
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:41:33 -0000
From: "Andy Thompson" <andy.thompson@...>
Subject: RE: Re: John Hawken
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From: Aidan Clark [mailto:aidan@...]
Sent: 14 February 2003 19:04
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Mellotronists] Re: John Hawken
Aidan
John Hawken is still around. He appears on Renaissance/Illusion's
relatively recent album Through the Fire (really a Jim McCarty solo album).
He lives in America. He played Mellotron violins/flute/choir (well) on the
Illusion albums Out of the Mist and Illusion in 1977-78. There is no Tron
on the recent album though. Aidan
Any idea if there's any on 'Enchanted Caress', recorded '79 and released
'90?
Andy T.
M400 #1145
'The Ultimate Mellotron Recordings List (Possibly)'
http://freespace.virgin.net/andy.thompson/
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:46:31 -0000
From: "Andy Thompson" <andy.thompson@...>
Subject: RE: Early Recordings
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From: mellotrongirl <mellotrongirl@...>
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Sent: 13 February 2003 20:12
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Mellotronists] Early Recordings
Makes one wonder who the first bands and musicians were that actually
bought the pricey cumbersome units & called them their own. The
majority of them in the mid 1960's went to recording studios and
never really were marketed as music instrument store items, am I
correct? Some early records by the Hollies, Bee Gees, Rolling Stones,
Eyes Of Blue, Pretty Things, etc. were only a year or two after
Strawberry Fields Forever...but it seems The Beatles used 'tron a
time or two prior to SFF...????
The Hollies? What in particular?
Andy T.
M400 #1145
'The Ultimate Mellotron Recordings List (Possibly)'
http://freespace.virgin.net/andy.thompson/
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 00:23:26 -0000
From: "Philip <philipjamesjohnston@...>" <philipjamesjohnston@...>
Subject: Stones & the Mellotron 1968
Hi there!
I had a listen to 'Jigsaw Puzzle' and there defintely isn't any
Mellotron. There's the usual acoustic/electric guitar, bass, piano ,
drums and Brian Jones playing a recorder or moroccan flute with loads
of reverb on it.
What about the slightly distorted harmonica at the end of Jumpin'
Jack Flash? Could that be Mellotron? I've never heard the MK II
harmonica sound(or does it even have it?) so I thought i'd ask.
But I think that there's just the two tracks from the Beggars Banquet
album (Stray Cat Blues & Factory Girl) with MK II Mellotron on it.
Best wishes
Philip
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 06:21:52 -0000
From: "mellotrongirl <mellotrongirl@...>" <mellotrongirl@...>
Subject: Early Recordings/The Hollies
Andy T.---
The site doesn't mention the particular Hollies recording, only to
day in an excerpt reprinted from "The Mellotron Story" (Peter
Forrest, author) stating that "Graham Nash/Hollies (used a Mellotron)
in 1967" http://www.vemia.co.uk/mellotron
MellO
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:51:43 +0100
From: dko4342@...
Subject: the (almost) complete list
What a list you've got there Andy. I noticed a Beatles record missing.
"Abbey Road" has a lot of mellotron lurking in the background, doesn't it?.
Frank Carvalho
#160 (..mmm. Feels good to say)
P.S. This email has bounced twice from the mail server. I wonder what's wrong?
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:09:05 -0000
From: "Aidan Clark" <aidan@...>
Subject: Re: Re: John Hawken
There is one Mellotron track on Illusion's Enchanted Caress: All the Falling Angels. This is listed as "Keith Relf's last unreleased recording" (rather than a Renaissance/Illusion track) "featuring Keith on lead vocal and Louis Cennamo on bass". The player of the Mark II violins is not listed. Aidan
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From: Andy Thompson
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 11:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Mellotronists] Re: John Hawken
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From: Aidan Clark [mailto:aidan@...]
Sent: 14 February 2003 19:04
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Mellotronists] Re: John Hawken
Aidan
John Hawken is still around. He appears on Renaissance/Illusion's relatively recent album Through the Fire (really a Jim McCarty solo album). He lives in America. He played Mellotron violins/flute/choir (well) on the Illusion albums Out of the Mist and Illusion in 1977-78. There is no Tron on the recent album though. Aidan
Any idea if there's any on 'Enchanted Caress', recorded '79 and released '90?
Andy T.
M400 #1145
'The Ultimate Mellotron Recordings List (Possibly)'
http://freespace.virgin.net/andy.thompson/
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:09:15 -0000
From: "Aidan Clark" <aidan@...>
Subject: Re: Re: John Hawken
There is one Mellotron track on Illusion's Enchanted Caress: All the Falling Angels. This is listed as "Keith Relf's last unreleased recording" (rather than a Renaissance/Illusion track) "featuring Keith on lead vocal and Louis Cennamo on bass". The player of the Mark II violins is not listed. Aidan
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Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 11:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Mellotronists] Re: John Hawken
-----Original Message-----
From: Aidan Clark [mailto:aidan@...]
Sent: 14 February 2003 19:04
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Mellotronists] Re: John Hawken
Aidan
John Hawken is still around. He appears on Renaissance/Illusion's relatively recent album Through the Fire (really a Jim McCarty solo album). He lives in America. He played Mellotron violins/flute/choir (well) on the Illusion albums Out of the Mist and Illusion in 1977-78. There is no Tron on the recent album though. Aidan
Any idea if there's any on 'Enchanted Caress', recorded '79 and released '90?
Andy T.
M400 #1145
'The Ultimate Mellotron Recordings List (Possibly)'
http://freespace.virgin.net/andy.thompson/
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:26:43 -0000
From: "J.K.Beresford" <j.k.beresford@...>
Subject: Early recordings
Hi y'all,
A possible contender for earliest recording of mellotron may be by
a small-time band leader by the name of Graham Dalley. Graham's
band "The Graham Dalley Dozen" was resident at a place called
The Barn near Solihull, England. He was a young brilliantly talented
musician (trumpet I think) and he was mad about the mellotron. He
had a MKII at The Barn and used it to entertain the punters whilst
they ate their chicken and chips between sets. He was responsible
for 2 separate versions of the theme music to a radio show called
"My Music" which he did on the MKII. He also released at least
one album ("The sounds of 65" or something) which I have been
trying to find as there is the possibility it may contain some of
Grahams mellotron playing. I've also been trying to get hold of a
recording of the My Music theme tune from the 60's from the Beeb
but no luck yet - anyone remember this? Sadly Graham died of a
heart-attack at the Barn one night in 1971 aged 41. His tron which I
chased around a lot looking for probably returned to the music
shop in Birmingham where he worked during the day. The thought
is it was probably on long term loan as a promotion exercise.
Anybody know any other pub/club mellotron players? There must
have been a few.
John
M300#005
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:43:05 -0000
From: "Andy Thompson" <andy.thompson@...>
Subject: RE: the (almost) complete list
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Sent: 17 February 2003 08:52
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Mellotronists] the (almost) complete list
Hi Frank
What a list you've got there Andy.
Er, yeah... just a bit! Funnily enough, I do manage to have a (sort of) life
as well. :-)
I noticed a Beatles record missing.
"Abbey Road" has a lot of mellotron lurking in the background, doesn't it?.
Well, as with 'Sgt.Pepper', it's rather hard to say. I've had mails from
loads of people saying they can hear 'Tron on this or that Beatles track,
and chances are, you're all correct! Bit of a bugger to hear in the mix,
unfortunately. Since Beatles stuff is easy to find on file-sharing programs,
I'll listen to anything that anyone recommends - the aforementioned Pepper
is my next 'is it or isn't it?' listen.
Andy T.
M400 #1145
'The Ultimate Mellotron Recordings List (Possibly)'
http://freespace.virgin.net/andy.thompson/
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:43:09 -0000
From: "Andy Thompson" <andy.thompson@...>
Subject: RE: Re: John Hawken
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From: Aidan Clark [mailto:aidan@...]
Sent: 17 February 2003 09:09
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: John Hawken
There is one Mellotron track on Illusion's Enchanted Caress: All the
Falling Angels. This is listed as "Keith Relf's last unreleased recording"
(rather than a Renaissance/Illusion track) "featuring Keith on lead vocal
and Louis Cennamo on bass". The player of the Mark II violins is not
listed. Aidan
Thanks for that one, Aidan - is the album actually any good, BTW?
Cheers!
Andy T.
M400 #1145
'The Ultimate Mellotron Recordings List (Possibly)'
http://freespace.virgin.net/andy.thompson/
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:54:46 -0000
From: "J.K.Beresford" <j.k.beresford@...>
Subject: Re: Early recordings
Hi Philip,
Yeah Sounds International is the one not Sounds of 65. I was
getting mixed up - I think thats Graham Bond isn't it. Might be
interesting to get - on the other hand - might be crap!
Cheers
John
Date sent: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:42:16 -0000
From: "Philip <philipjamesjohnston@...>" <philipjamesjohnston@...>
To: "J.K.Beresford" <j.k.beresford@...>
Subject: Re: Early recordings
> --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "J.K.Beresford"
> <j.k.beresford@s...> wrote:
> > Hi y'all,
> > A possible contender for earliest recording of mellotron may be by
> > a small-time band leader by the name of Graham Dalley. Graham's
> > band "The Graham Dalley Dozen" was resident at a place called
> > The Barn near Solihull, England. He was a young brilliantly
> talented
> > musician (trumpet I think) and he was mad about the mellotron. He
> > had a MKII at The Barn and used it to entertain the punters whilst
> > they ate their chicken and chips between sets. He was responsible
> > for 2 separate versions of the theme music to a radio show called
> > "My Music" which he did on the MKII. He also released at least
> > one album ("The sounds of 65" or something) which I have been
> > trying to find as there is the possibility it may contain some of
> > Grahams mellotron playing. I've also been trying to get hold of a
> > recording of the My Music theme tune from the 60's from the Beeb
> > but no luck yet - anyone remember this? Sadly Graham died of a
> > heart-attack at the Barn one night in 1971 aged 41.
> > John
> > M300#005
>
> Hi there,
>
> I did a quick search on Google and came up with this. An album
> called 'Sounds International' by the Graham Dalley Dozen for \ufffd10
>
> www.bside.co.uk/justintoday.htm - 80k
>
> There is also an album called 'At the Barn' from around the same time.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Philip.
>
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:08:45 -0000
From: "Philip <philipjamesjohnston@...>" <philipjamesjohnston@...>
Subject: Anoraks at the ready!
--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "J.K.Beresford"
<j.k.beresford@s...> wrote:
> Hi Philip,
> Yeah Sounds International is the one not Sounds of 65. I was
> getting mixed up - I think thats Graham Bond isn't it. Might be
> interesting to get - on the other hand - might be crap!
> Cheers
> John
>
Hello again!
I'm in serious anorak mode... Graham Dalley also provided mellotron
(sound effects perhaps?)on some of the Goon shows from about 1967.
As for the music being crap, thats all part of the fun isn't it? But
I reckon it's worth the risk, 'Sounds International' and 'At the
Barn' might be a pleasant surprise and chock full of whacked out
Mellotron.
Philip
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