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[Mellotronists] Chamberlin M1 guts

2003-04-18 by Gene Stopp

And now a report from our embedded reporter in Gene's garage:

The pictures in Frank's Mellotron book, Mark Vail's "Vintage Synthesizers",
and www.mellotron.com pretty much cover what it looks like. (Same pictures
at those three places, by the way.) In addition there is a good
under-the-lid shot at the web site. The M1 I got does not have the remote
unit and therefore does not have that extra add-on control box or external
wiring harnesses.

The cabinet is inexplicably short. I'm not sure what the intention was, to
put it on a low table or maybe on top of the road case that it comes in, or
what. Perhaps it was done that way to avoid blatantly copying the M400?

Much in the way that the Mellotron M400 is really one assembly that drops
into the wooden cabinet, inside of the M1 there is an assembly which is
pretty much the entire machine. It exists in the center of the unit with
airspace on all four sides. One major difference from the M400 is that the
two motors are not part of this assembly but rather are mounted separately
and independently. Yes I said two motors - one is a fixed speed AC motor
(looking much like a reel motor from an old reel-to-reel). This has a pulley
with a belt over it, to the big flywheel on the capstan (consult the picture
at Mellotron.com), and a spring-loaded idler pulley near the motor. The
other motor is on the right side of the machine (as you look at the
keyboard) and has four skinny rubber belts running up to a fairly small
(compared to the other one) pulley on a shaft that runs along the length of
the keyboard under the keys themselves. This shaft holds the reels where the
tapes are stored. The shaft spins in the direction that rewinds the tapes
after a key is let up (opposite of capstan rotation), and there is one reel
per tape (total of 35). The reels slip on the spinning shaft, with enough
friction to be moved by the shaft if the tape is not taut. There's a
setscrew in each reel to set this friction point but the tape has to be off
of it (i.e. in the take-up bin) to get to it. So this is how the M1 returns
the tapes, rather than using springs. Very compact, but it seems that this
method takes longer to rewind the entire tape than the M400 method. This is
a fixed-speed return, whereas the M400 snaps the tapes back however fast
they will travel under spring tension.

All over inside of this thing are paper labels created on a typewriter,
taped on to various surfaces, containing all kinds of useful information
about motor oiling, tape threading, take-up reel friction adjustment, pinch
roller and felt pad adjustment, and so on. There is a tape-threading tool
which consists of a long skinny brass "tape" about 6" long. There is an
allen wrench behind a little clip which is used to adjust the take-up reel
friction setscrews. There is also an extra motor pulley.

On top of the main assembly sits the keyboard, which is mounted on a square
aluminium frame. This is a wooden 35-note keyboard, much like the Mellotron,
except that the low "G" is a real low "G" in that it has the cutout in it
for the F-sharp rather than being like a "C" in shape. The cheekblock next
to the low "G" has the corresponding shape to match. Interestingly, the high
"F" has a straight side where the F-sharp would be, so all I can say is go
figure. Again the pictures on the Mellotron.com site show this clearly.

The keyboard can be removed by unscrewing four sheet metal screws which
mount it to the main assembly. No knurled knobs, get your screwdriver buddy.
The track selector at the right end needs to come out at this time as well,
since it covers the fourth screw. As soon as you unscrew the keyboard, it
pops up from spring pressure below. When you lift it off, you will see that
there are no pinch rollers or felt pads on the keys, just the front and back
adjustment screw shafts poking downwards. The pinch rollers and felt pads
are attached to spring-metal "fingers" that are mounted to a bar that runs
across the front of the chassis. Removing this bar exposes the tapes. At
1/2" each, the tapes are almost touching each other with AGO key spacing.
There are comb teeth separating and aligning the tapes, but they are very
skinny.

The tapes appear to be riveted to both the take-up reel and the anchor bar
at the rear of the chassis. I have not yet examined these rivets to see if
they are perhaps simple press-fit things that can be removed (hopefully), or
if they are the kind you need to drill out so don't even go there and ship
the whole thing back to Upland. Like that's gonna happen....

The heads in the headblock are 2-track heads. For any given head each gap
goes to a separate output, so there are 2 outputs. The track selector has
six positions:

1 and 3
2 and 4
3 and 5
4 and 6
5 and 7
6 and 8

Output electronics is under the left-hand cheekblock. Four pots, tone and
volume for both outputs. On/off switches for each output also. Under the
cheekblock is a linebox, inside of which is the circuit board with some
passives and a single chip (haven't ID'd it yet). The circuit board is made
out of vectorboard. Definitely not a mass-production effort here. On the
right-hand cheekblock is the track selector lever (once again seen at the
Mellotron.com picture), power switch, and pitch control. Hey wait didn't I
say that the capstan was driven by an AC motor? Yes indeed, behind the pitch
pot there is another piece of vectorboard with some electronics on it
(including a 3-terminal SCR-type thingey) so there is definitely some AC
waveform monkey business going on here. The pitch pot behavior seems to be
stable pitch for some of the pot's rotation, then a slight drop off, then
the motor drops to half-speed or so and then stalls. So I suppose that the
motor is intended to be slightly sharp and the pot set somewhere in the
"slight drop off" portion. This theory is reinforced by the existence of the
spare motor pulley with a note next to it that says "use this pulley for
A-440". So, tuning is set by pulley size, eh?

I've not yet been able to get a good listen to the sounds yet. The sounds on
this tape set is an assortment of strings, horns, flute, and vibes. Standard
set? Don't know. When I started to work on this machine there were two main
problems - first, all the keys were out of adjustment so I could not get a
well-played note anywhere. Second, the electronics seems to be gummed up or
otherwise dirty so there is a high-pitched squeal if the volume is turned up
at all. Long road ahead... I'll try to take pictures along the way.

Best Regards,

- Gene

Re: [Mellotronists] Chamberlin M1 guts

2003-04-22 by Pomeroy Ranch

Great description Gene!!

A few helpin hints here from back at CentChambCom:

The 'rivets' are indeed press-fitted bits. Now, mind you, I have never changed a
tape, but have been told it's a snap (was that a pun?). Anyway, the typewriter
notes next to the brass tape-feeder thingy say that the easiest way to feed a
new tape is to attach the new tape to the old one and let the pinch roller feed
it.

It is critical to have the tension on the rewind spool adjustment right or you
may get either rewind problems or wobblies - another thing to worry about other
than the pinch roller and push pad adjestments! I recommend adjusting the latter
two before fiddling with the rewind spool tension - unless the thing isn't
rewinding at all. Just hold the note down until it runs to the end then turn the
power off. Now you can do your allen wrenching - oh so delicately - say a 1/8 to
1/4 of a turn at a time. A complete 7 second tape pull takes a hair over one
second to fully rewind. Works okay for me.

I agree that the electronics are rather dodgy. I fitted my M2 with a
digitally-controlled sealed motor and have the tape rack leads (RCA plugs) going
straight to a modern rackmount pre-amp unit. I feed mine out the rear hand hold
slots. I can't remember if that could work with an M1. If you're not too worried
about the formica furniture, you could provide 1/4" jacks mounted either below
the keyboard or out the back with the RCA's connected on the inside to them (I
wouldn't hard wire to the jacks as you will want to be able to take the panel
off for servicing).

The pulleys for the rewind motor and spindle are based on movie projector
apparatus and include four spaghetti "belts". Richard Chamberlin (who did most
of the design work on the M's innovations including the rewind spindle/spool) is
quite an amateur film person and added that touch from his experience running
his movies.

I am not familiar with the extra pulley situation. My M2 didn't have pitch
control originally and my former M1 was the donor of my digital motor. Sounds
very Chamberlinesque, however...

Now back to you Gene in the field.

Vance (wondering if those video phones will collectable relics in a few
years....)

Gene Stopp wrote:
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> And now a report from our embedded reporter in Gene's garage:
>
> The pictures in Frank's Mellotron book, Mark Vail's "Vintage Synthesizers",
> and www.mellotron.com pretty much cover what it looks like. (Same pictures
> at those three places, by the way.) In addition there is a good
> under-the-lid shot at the web site. The M1 I got does not have the remote
> unit and therefore does not have that extra add-on control box or external
> wiring harnesses.
>
> The cabinet is inexplicably short. I'm not sure what the intention was, to
> put it on a low table or maybe on top of the road case that it comes in, or
> what. Perhaps it was done that way to avoid blatantly copying the M400?
>
> Much in the way that the Mellotron M400 is really one assembly that drops
> into the wooden cabinet, inside of the M1 there is an assembly which is
> pretty much the entire machine. It exists in the center of the unit with
> airspace on all four sides. One major difference from the M400 is that the
> two motors are not part of this assembly but rather are mounted separately
> and independently. Yes I said two motors - one is a fixed speed AC motor
> (looking much like a reel motor from an old reel-to-reel). This has a pulley
> with a belt over it, to the big flywheel on the capstan (consult the picture
> at Mellotron.com), and a spring-loaded idler pulley near the motor. The
> other motor is on the right side of the machine (as you look at the
> keyboard) and has four skinny rubber belts running up to a fairly small
> (compared to the other one) pulley on a shaft that runs along the length of
> the keyboard under the keys themselves. This shaft holds the reels where the
> tapes are stored. The shaft spins in the direction that rewinds the tapes
> after a key is let up (opposite of capstan rotation), and there is one reel
> per tape (total of 35). The reels slip on the spinning shaft, with enough
> friction to be moved by the shaft if the tape is not taut. There's a
> setscrew in each reel to set this friction point but the tape has to be off
> of it (i.e. in the take-up bin) to get to it. So this is how the M1 returns
> the tapes, rather than using springs. Very compact, but it seems that this
> method takes longer to rewind the entire tape than the M400 method. This is
> a fixed-speed return, whereas the M400 snaps the tapes back however fast
> they will travel under spring tension.
>
> All over inside of this thing are paper labels created on a typewriter,
> taped on to various surfaces, containing all kinds of useful information
> about motor oiling, tape threading, take-up reel friction adjustment, pinch
> roller and felt pad adjustment, and so on. There is a tape-threading tool
> which consists of a long skinny brass "tape" about 6" long. There is an
> allen wrench behind a little clip which is used to adjust the take-up reel
> friction setscrews. There is also an extra motor pulley.
>
> On top of the main assembly sits the keyboard, which is mounted on a square
> aluminium frame. This is a wooden 35-note keyboard, much like the Mellotron,
> except that the low "G" is a real low "G" in that it has the cutout in it
> for the F-sharp rather than being like a "C" in shape. The cheekblock next
> to the low "G" has the corresponding shape to match. Interestingly, the high
> "F" has a straight side where the F-sharp would be, so all I can say is go
> figure. Again the pictures on the Mellotron.com site show this clearly.
>
> The keyboard can be removed by unscrewing four sheet metal screws which
> mount it to the main assembly. No knurled knobs, get your screwdriver buddy.
> The track selector at the right end needs to come out at this time as well,
> since it covers the fourth screw. As soon as you unscrew the keyboard, it
> pops up from spring pressure below. When you lift it off, you will see that
> there are no pinch rollers or felt pads on the keys, just the front and back
> adjustment screw shafts poking downwards. The pinch rollers and felt pads
> are attached to spring-metal "fingers" that are mounted to a bar that runs
> across the front of the chassis. Removing this bar exposes the tapes. At
> 1/2" each, the tapes are almost touching each other with AGO key spacing.
> There are comb teeth separating and aligning the tapes, but they are very
> skinny.
>
> The tapes appear to be riveted to both the take-up reel and the anchor bar
> at the rear of the chassis. I have not yet examined these rivets to see if
> they are perhaps simple press-fit things that can be removed (hopefully), or
> if they are the kind you need to drill out so don't even go there and ship
> the whole thing back to Upland. Like that's gonna happen....
>
> The heads in the headblock are 2-track heads. For any given head each gap
> goes to a separate output, so there are 2 outputs. The track selector has
> six positions:
>
> 1 and 3
> 2 and 4
> 3 and 5
> 4 and 6
> 5 and 7
> 6 and 8
>
> Output electronics is under the left-hand cheekblock. Four pots, tone and
> volume for both outputs. On/off switches for each output also. Under the
> cheekblock is a linebox, inside of which is the circuit board with some
> passives and a single chip (haven't ID'd it yet). The circuit board is made
> out of vectorboard. Definitely not a mass-production effort here. On the
> right-hand cheekblock is the track selector lever (once again seen at the
> Mellotron.com picture), power switch, and pitch control. Hey wait didn't I
> say that the capstan was driven by an AC motor? Yes indeed, behind the pitch
> pot there is another piece of vectorboard with some electronics on it
> (including a 3-terminal SCR-type thingey) so there is definitely some AC
> waveform monkey business going on here. The pitch pot behavior seems to be
> stable pitch for some of the pot's rotation, then a slight drop off, then
> the motor drops to half-speed or so and then stalls. So I suppose that the
> motor is intended to be slightly sharp and the pot set somewhere in the
> "slight drop off" portion. This theory is reinforced by the existence of the
> spare motor pulley with a note next to it that says "use this pulley for
> A-440". So, tuning is set by pulley size, eh?
>
> I've not yet been able to get a good listen to the sounds yet. The sounds on
> this tape set is an assortment of strings, horns, flute, and vibes. Standard
> set? Don't know. When I started to work on this machine there were two main
> problems - first, all the keys were out of adjustment so I could not get a
> well-played note anywhere. Second, the electronics seems to be gummed up or
> otherwise dirty so there is a high-pitched squeal if the volume is turned up
> at all. Long road ahead... I'll try to take pictures along the way.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> - Gene
>
>
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>
>
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Re: [Mellotronists] Chamberlin M1 guts

2003-04-22 by J.K.Beresford

Gene,

> 
> The tapes appear to be riveted to both the take-up reel and the anchor bar
> at the rear of the chassis. I have not yet examined these rivets to see if
> they are perhaps simple press-fit things that can be removed (hopefully), or
> if they are the kind you need to drill out so don't even go there and ship
> the whole thing back to Upland. Like that's gonna happen....

> 
Somewhere I have a drawing of the chamberlin mechanism that was submitted with the patent 
and it shows push-in press-stud like thingys to hold the tapes to the reels. They are friction fitting 
only on the drawing. I assume a hole is made in the tape first with something like a paper-punch.


The pitch pot behavior seems to be
> stable pitch for some of the pot's rotation, then a slight drop off, then
> the motor drops to half-speed or so and then stalls. So I suppose that the
> motor is intended to be slightly sharp and the pot set somewhere in the
> "slight drop off" portion. This theory is reinforced by the existence of the
> spare motor pulley with a note next to it that says "use this pulley for
> A-440". So, tuning is set by pulley size, eh?

Does this mean tuning to different pitches or pitch swooping is not 
possible on an M1?

John
M300#005
>

RE: [Mellotronists] Chamberlin M1 guts

2003-04-22 by Andy Thompson

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Gene


And now a report from our embedded reporter in Gene's garage:


Just to say thanks for a couple of great postings - I've never got my head
around how the Chamby works before, but you've given me a rather clearer
picture! Not to mention the Orchestron...  :-)

Andy T.
M400 #1145

'The Ultimate Mellotron Recordings List (Possibly)'

http://freespace.virgin.net/andy.thompson/

Re: [Mellotronists] Chamberlin M1 guts

2003-04-22 by Pomeroy Ranch

"J.K.Beresford" wrote:

> >
> Somewhere I have a drawing of the chamberlin mechanism that was submitted with the patent.....

John - That drawing would be a great addition to the photo section of the group!

Vance

Re: [Mellotronists] Chamberlin M1 guts

2003-04-23 by J.K.Beresford

Vance,
They are all on a website somewhere but I can't remember it. I'll see 
if I can find it later.
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> > >
> > Somewhere I have a drawing of the chamberlin mechanism that was submitted with the patent.....
> 
> John - That drawing would be a great addition to the photo section of the group!
> 
> Vance
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Mellotronists-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>  
> 
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> 
>

RE: [Mellotronists] Chamberlin M1 guts

2003-04-25 by Gene Stopp

Howdy again,

I have here a bunch of .jpg's that I had promised - what's the preferred way
to get them out there? I've tried the upload to the group photo section
before (with PFM pictures) but I think I clogged up the works and broke it,
then forgot about it (sounds like sunmthin I'd do...).

Current repair shop projects you can see in the pics:

Chamberlin M1 #86136
Chamberlin Rhythmate #20-4082
Orchestron Model A #1045
M400S #266

(anybody got schematics for the Sound Sales preamp card? It's the one with
the 741 op-amp that takes the place of the original preamp/lineamp)

Interestingly the Orchestron s/n plate says it's a "Model A" even though it
looks like the one in the picture of the Model B at
http://www.optigan.com/cousins.html, and they say "no picture available" for
the Model A. So what the heck, huh?



- Gene

M400S #1023
M400S #1213
M400S #1289
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"J.K.Beresford" wrote:

> >
> Somewhere I have a drawing of the chamberlin mechanism that was submitted
with the patent.....

John - That drawing would be a great addition to the photo section of the
group!

Vance

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