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RE:first mellotrons in rock

RE:first mellotrons in rock

2003-05-14 by charel196

Well I assume you mean in recorded "big name" rock.The Moodies made 
it REALLY up front and famous.The Stones used it on Satanic 
Majesties.Graham Bond was mentioned...of course the Fab Four used it 
on Mystery Tour.
  As far as known album acts from America using it regularly...ETHOS 
from Indiana(early 70s) on Capitol...Mike Quatro from Detroit used it 
live and on all his records...and of course I acquired my M-400 #328 
in Dec.72 but I never was in a big name recording act(hee hee)using 
it first in a band called STARGATE in Ohio.Steve Miller Band used it 
on CHILDREN OF THE FUTURE but probably never toured with it.Beach 
Boys used it on record (Wild Honey).Blues Image(RIDE CAPTAIN RIDE) 
used a Chamberlin.

RE: [Mellotronists] RE:first mellotrons in rock

2003-05-14 by James Parthun

Fuse (Rick Nielson's band pre-Cheap Trick) toured with a 'Tron in 1968.
Ethos used both a Chamberlin and a Mellotron; I saw them live.

Regards,
partune
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From: charel196 [mailto:charel196@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:53 PM
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Subject: [Mellotronists] RE:first mellotrons in rock

Well I assume you mean in recorded "big name" rock.The Moodies made 
it REALLY up front and famous.The Stones used it on Satanic 
Majesties.Graham Bond was mentioned...of course the Fab Four used it 
on Mystery Tour.
  As far as known album acts from America using it regularly...ETHOS 
from Indiana(early 70s) on Capitol...Mike Quatro from Detroit used it 
live and on all his records...and of course I acquired my M-400 #328 
in Dec.72 but I never was in a big name recording act(hee hee)using 
it first in a band called STARGATE in Ohio.Steve Miller Band used it 
on CHILDREN OF THE FUTURE but probably never toured with it.Beach 
Boys used it on record (Wild Honey).Blues Image(RIDE CAPTAIN RIDE) 
used a Chamberlin.



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RE: [Mellotronists] RE:first mellotrons in rock

2003-05-14 by Gene Stopp

This is really a good thread. When first I read it I was seriously trying to
think of bands that were from the U.S. in the first place, let alone using
Mellotrons. So my mind cast back to that era - Paul Revere and the Raiders?
Naaah. Grass Roots? Three Dog Night? Barry McGuire? Strawberry Alarm Clock?
Byrds? Airplane? Any Mellotron in there? The first "mainstream" I can think
of is Aerosmith, but that can't be the first.

- Gene
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From: James Parthun [mailto:partune@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:57 PM
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Subject: RE: [Mellotronists] RE:first mellotrons in rock


Fuse (Rick Nielson's band pre-Cheap Trick) toured with a 'Tron in 1968.
Ethos used both a Chamberlin and a Mellotron; I saw them live.

Regards,
partune

-----Original Message-----
From: charel196 [mailto:charel196@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:53 PM
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Mellotronists] RE:first mellotrons in rock

Well I assume you mean in recorded "big name" rock.The Moodies made 
it REALLY up front and famous.The Stones used it on Satanic 
Majesties.Graham Bond was mentioned...of course the Fab Four used it 
on Mystery Tour.
  As far as known album acts from America using it regularly...ETHOS 
from Indiana(early 70s) on Capitol...Mike Quatro from Detroit used it 
live and on all his records...and of course I acquired my M-400 #328 
in Dec.72 but I never was in a big name recording act(hee hee)using 
it first in a band called STARGATE in Ohio.Steve Miller Band used it 
on CHILDREN OF THE FUTURE but probably never toured with it.Beach 
Boys used it on record (Wild Honey).Blues Image(RIDE CAPTAIN RIDE) 
used a Chamberlin.



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RE: [Mellotronists] RE:first mellotrons in rock

2003-05-14 by Andy Thompson

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From: Gene Stopp [mailto:gene@...]
Sent: 15 May 2003 00:29
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Subject: RE: [Mellotronists] RE:first mellotrons in rock


This is really a good thread. When first I read it I was seriously trying to
think of bands that were from the U.S. in the first place, let alone using
Mellotrons. So my mind cast back to that era - Paul Revere and the Raiders?
Naaah. Grass Roots? Three Dog Night? Barry McGuire? Strawberry Alarm Clock?
Byrds? Airplane? Any Mellotron in there? The first "mainstream" I can think
of is Aerosmith, but that can't be the first.

- Gene


Three Dog Night - supposed to be big Chamberlin users.
Byrds - 'Jesus is Just Alright' on 'Ballad of Easy Rider'.
Airplane - Kantner/Slick and Kantner/Slick/Freiberg albums, plus early
Starship.

To my knowledge...  :-)

Andy T.
M400 #1145

'The Ultimate Mellotron Recordings List (Possibly)'

http://freespace.virgin.net/andy.thompson/

RE: [Mellotronists] RE:first mellotrons in rock

2003-05-15 by Andy Thompson

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Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] RE:first mellotrons in rock


I know Cream used the Mellotron in at least one of their songs.  I believe
it
was later on around 1970.
                                                Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff


It was on 'Goodbye' from '69. Thing is, any number of artists *used* a 'Tron
in the mid-late '60s, but few of them used it *regularly*, which was the
original question. Apart from Graham Bond, Manfred Mann is the other early
regular user that springs to mind. Rick Nielsen's Fuse are the first US band
I've heard of using one, but I'm sure there were earlier Chamberlin users,
as a 'domestic' instrument.

Andy T.
M400 #1145

'The Ultimate Mellotron Recordings List (Possibly)'

http://freespace.virgin.net/andy.thompson/


p.s. Noel Redding, RIP.

RE: RE: [Mellotronists] RE:first mellotrons in rock

2003-05-15 by Andy Thompson

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Sent: 15 May 2003 12:13
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Mellotronists] RE:first mellotrons in rock


Hi Chris!
> To everyone,
My name is Chris Haley. I just joined the list this weekk and plan to contribute much to the online discussion. I have a pretty definitive answer when it comes to the first American recordings which feature the mellotron. Of all things, it is basically a tie between Curt Boetccher and Jan & Dean, both had recordings made in 1966 which featured the mellotron. Curt Boetccher used in on recordings by his group the Ballroom, which appear on both the "Magic Time" Millennium box set and on the first album by Sagitarius "Present Tense." There are swells of strings and brass of MK II on about four tracks. Unfortunately there does not appear to be any mellotron on any of the later Millenium or Boetccher solo tracks.
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The Jan & Dean recording in question is "Save It For a Rainy Day" which appeared in late 1966. It is basically a Dean Torrance solo album utilizing the Jan & Dean name after the famous "Deadman's Curve" Jan Berry car wreck. There is a heavy Brian Wilson influence over the album and the mellotron is used to recreate the string sounds. Basically it seems that the bass player Joe Osbourn owned the MK II mellotron as the album was recorded in his garage and Larry Knechtel, later with Bread, was the keyboard player. Overall a very strange album as all of the songs have to do with rain. ; The Sundazed cd reissue of the album has many of the instrumental backing tracks sans vocals, thus the tron use can be more readily heard and appreciated.
One another American tron album from this period that is very good is "Intercourse" by the Tokens. It was recorded in 1968 and features much MK II brass, flute, and strings. There is an interesting artcle on the Tokens web site about how the album was recorded at Broadway Recording Studios in New York in 1968 and the mellotron use.
A few other interesting tid bits. An online interview with Billy Joel reveals he has a mellotron also in his studio. Also, an interview with Glass Hammer on their recent "Lex Rex" cd reveals they use mellotron samples on all of their albums but the tron on the albums they produce like Sonambulist and Volare is real. Finally, tomorrow night I am seeing the acoustic Strawbs in concert in Cincinnati. I am definitely going to talk to Dave Cousins about tron related issues, like the possible tron on "Pieces of 79 and 15" off of the first Strawbs album, which model did Wakeman use on "The Shepherds Song" on "FRom the Witchwood", is there any mellotron on "Heartbreak Hill", and is the tron on the recently released Strawbs cd "Blue Angel" real. I'll report back over the weekend with all of the answers I get.
By the way, the Rolling Stones MK II owned by Mick Jagger and used by Brian Jones on "SAtanic Majesties" is on exhibition at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. I saw it back in January.
Thanks again everybody.
Chris Haley Not a tron owner but hopefully one day.
Chris has been supplying me with info for a while now - all I have to say is, 'brave man' for attempting to ask Cousins about, well, anything really! He'll be pissed as a parrot after the show, if not before, and I seriously doubt that he'll be able to remember anything at all from 30-something years ago, never mind Mellotron minutiae! Worth a try, though... :-)

Andy T.

M400 #1145

'The Ultimate Mellotron Recordings List (Possibly)'

http://freespace.virgin.net/andy.thompson/

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