Mellotronists

In a message dated 12/30/2003 12:58:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
sdavmor@... writes:

> I was wondering about this project last night.  Is there sufficient
> material submitted to finally put this into play?  Is the "Son of
> Rime..." CD going to happen?  With the long-overdue Systems Theory
> album getting out the door (January), I was doing some placement of
> tunes onto sampler compilations, and this project came back into
> mind.  I got to thinking that we might want to slip in another track
> in lieu of "The Cool Vibe Of Asia C.", since it's going to be on our
> album, and we'd rather have a not-yet-on-an-album track on a sampler/
> compilation set.  Or alternatively, we're willing to offer another
> cut in addition if there's not yet enough material to warrant release
> of "Son of Rime...".
> 

I suppose that I should let everyone know what's going on here.  For now, it 
looks like there will be no "Son of Rime..." CD.  The songs are still 
available for downloading from the tronsounds website, as they have been from the 
beginning.   Several problems have come up this year which lead me to this 
conclusion.  They are (in no particular order):

1)  Lack of sufficient material.  We really need more tunes to choose from, 
but I haven't received anything in a long time.

2)  Loss of our source of CD production.  One of our list members had 
originally offered to produce free copies of the CD in a professional CD production 
facility where he worked.  Unfortunately, he has changed jobs and can no longer 
offer this service.

3)  ISP problems with the tronsounds web site.  This year, the two owners of 
my ISP decided to battle each other for control of the business, leaving me 
and hundreds of other users with an unreliable service.    The web site was down 
for months and remains unreliable.  The procedure for updating the website 
has changed, and I'm no longer sure how to update it.  I would like to switch to 
a new ISP, but I have prepaid for a year, and can't really afford to switch.

4)  Personal issues.  I have worked on this project and the website during my 
spare time.  Some of you who know me better are aware of the fact that 2003 
has been a very challenging year for me, particularly the last couple of 
months.  Something had to give, and unfortunately, this was it.

I started this project as a way that the members of the Mellotronists list 
could share their original Mellotron material with each other, and that part has 
been successful.  I know (from looking at the web stats) that people all over 
the world have been downloading these songs from the tronsounds web site.  I 
have really enjoyed many of the songs which have been submitted (including 
"Asia C"). I wish that we had more tunes and the production capability to provide 
free CDs for everyone, as was originally intended.  

Who knows what the future will bring?  I'll try to keep the website up, if I 
can, so that we can continue to hear the tunes, at least.  Anyone can burn a 
CDR from the tunes that are out there, if they want.  

I hope that answers the questions regarding "Son of Rime...".  I haven't 
totally given up on it, but please don't expect anything other than what is 
already on the web site.  Thanks for the interest, and thanks especially to those of 
you who have submitted something.  At least your tunes are being heard.


Ken M.

From: kenmerb@...

To: mellotronists@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:04 PM

Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Any news on the "Son of Rime of the ancient sampler" CD p...

In a message dated 12/30/2003 12:58:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, sdavmor@systemstheory.net writes:

I was wondering about this project last night. Is there sufficient
material submitted to finally put this into play? Is the "Son of
Rime..." CD going to happen? With the long-overdue Systems Theory
album getting out the door (January), I was doing some placement of
tunes onto sampler compilations, and this project came back into
mind. I got to thinking that we might want to slip in another track
in lieu of "The Cool Vibe Of Asia C.", since it's going to be on our
album, and we'd rather have a not-yet-on-an-album track on a sampler/
compilation set. Or alternatively, we're willing to offer another
cut in addition if there's not yet enough material to warrant release
of "Son of Rime...".

I suppose that I should let everyone know what's going on here. For now, it looks like there will be no "Son of Rime..." CD. The songs are still available for downloading from the tronsounds website, as they have been from the beginning. Several problems have come up this year which lead me to this conclusion. They are (in no particular order):

1) Lack of sufficient material. We really need more tunes to choose from, but I haven't received anything in a long time.

2) Loss of our source of CD production. One of our list members had originally offered to produce free copies of the CD in a professional CD production facility where he worked. Unfortunately, he has changed jobs and can no longer offer this service.

3) ISP problems with the tronsounds web site. This year, the two owners of my ISP decided to battle each other for control of the business, leaving me and hundreds of other users with an unreliable service. The web site was down for months and remains unreliable. The procedure for updating the website has changed, and I'm no longer sure how to update it. I would like to switch to a new ISP, but I have prepaid for a year, and can't really afford to switch.

4) Personal issues. I have worked on this project and the website during my spare time. Some of you who know me better are aware of the fact that 2003 has been a very challenging year for me, particularly the last couple of months. Something had to give, and unfortunately, this was it.

I started this project as a way that the members of the Mellotronists list could share their original Mellotron material with each other, and that part has been successful. I know (from looking at the web stats) that people all over the world have been downloading these songs from the tronsounds web site. I have really enjoyed many of the songs which have been submitted (including "Asia C"). I wish that we had more tunes and the production capability to provide free CDs for everyone, as was originally intended.

Who knows what the future will bring? I'll try to keep the website up, if I can, so that we can continue to hear the tunes, at least. Anyone can burn a CDR from the tunes that are out there, if they want.

I hope that answers the questions regarding "Son of Rime...". I haven't totally given up on it, but please don't expect anything other than what is already on the web site. Thanks for the interest, and thanks especially to those of you who have submitted something. At least your tunes are being heard.


Ken M

I certainly hope that I didn't come across as being critical that the "Son Of

Rime...." project hadn't seemed to advance in the last 18 months. Lord

knows that Systems Theory hasn't exactly been moving very fast either!

Since more material can be used, we'll submit another track to the pool

sometime in January out of the extras hanging around from the three years

it's taken to get the Systems Theory album together. After that, maybe we

could structure a tree arrangement to get CDDA quality copies of the "Son

Of Rime..." material into people's hands. I have extensive experience doing

that for the amjt newsgroup a few years back. It's a bit of organization but

with a few hands available with CD-R burners to do a few each, and some

downloadable jpegs made by a tron-friendly artist, it can be done to very

nice quality standards.

--
SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
http://systemstheory.net internet music project
http://thecleanersystem.com software for dry cleaners
NP: nothing

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, sdavmor wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: kenmerb@... 
>   To: mellotronists@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:04 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Any news on the "Son of Rime of the ancient sampler" CD p...
> 
> 
>   In a message dated 12/30/2003 12:58:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, sdavmor@... writes:


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>   3)  ISP problems with the tronsounds web site.  This year, the two
> owners of my ISP decided to battle each other for control of the
> business, leaving me and hundreds of other users with an unreliable
> service.  The web site was down for months and remains unreliable.  The
> procedure for updating the website has changed, and I'm no longer sure
> how to update it.  I would like to switch to a new ISP, but I have
> prepaid for a year, and can't really afford to switch. 


it sounds like you have a legitimate gripe with your isp, and that they 
have not met their side of your hosting contract. i can get you a nice
package for $10 a month, and you should be able to get a refund from your
current ISP without using an attorney. read your agreement carefully for
their obligations and the terms for you to get out of it...
cheap hosting is too easy to find for a company to treat customers badly.

i hope 2004 is a bettter year for you and everyone else.
lord knows 2003 has been hard on lots of people.

...jeff

ps: happy new year everyone. have a safe and healthy one.

In a message dated 12/31/2003 4:40:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
sdavmor@... writes:

> I certainly hope that I didn't come across as being critical that the "Son 
> Of
>  Rime...." project hadn't seemed to advance in the last 18 months.  

No, that's not the way I took it.  I just wanted to let people know what's 
going on with the project (and the web site), especially those who have 
submitted a tune.

Lord>  knows that Systems Theory hasn't exactly been moving very fast either!
>  Since more material can be used, we'll submit another track to the pool
>  sometime in January out of the extras hanging around from the three years
>  it's taken to get the Systems Theory album together.  After that, maybe we
>  could structure a tree arrangement to get CDDA quality copies of the "Son
>  Of Rime..." material into people's hands.  I have extensive experience 
> doing
>  that for the amjt newsgroup a few years back.  It's a bit of organization 
> but
>  with a few hands available with CD-R burners to do a few each, and some
>  downloadable jpegs made by a tron-friendly artist, it can be done to very
>  nice quality standards
> 

At least one other member has offered assistance to burn some CDs for members 
of the list who would want one.  Maybe we can discuss this further and come 
up with a solution.  That would be a nice way to start off the New Year.  
Speaking of which, I'd like to wish all of the Troniacs out there a Happy New Year!

Ken M.

Lord:

Why does the "son of Rime" material need to be original compositions?
If we opened it up to cover versions, we would have a lot more 
material to choose from.  Are you planning on releasing / 
distributing this CD?  I can deal with the royalty issue.

Prince


--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, kenmerb@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/31/2003 4:40:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> sdavmor@s... writes:
> 
> > I certainly hope that I didn't come across as being critical that 
the "Son 
> > Of
> >  Rime...." project hadn't seemed to advance in the last 18 
months.  
> 
> No, that's not the way I took it.  I just wanted to let people know 
what's 
> going on with the project (and the web site), especially those who 
have 
> submitted a tune.
> 
> Lord>  knows that Systems Theory hasn't exactly been moving very 
fast either!
> >  Since more material can be used, we'll submit another track to 
the pool
> >  sometime in January out of the extras hanging around from the 
three years
> >  it's taken to get the Systems Theory album together.  After 
that, maybe we
> >  could structure a tree arrangement to get CDDA quality copies of 
the "Son
> >  Of Rime..." material into people's hands.  I have extensive 
experience 
> > doing
> >  that for the amjt newsgroup a few years back.  It's a bit of 
organization 
> > but
> >  with a few hands available with CD-R burners to do a few each, 
and some
> >  downloadable jpegs made by a tron-friendly artist, it can be 
done to very
> >  nice quality standards
> > 
> 
> At least one other member has offered assistance to burn some CDs 
for members 
> of the list who would want one.  Maybe we can discuss this further 
and come 
> up with a solution.  That would be a nice way to start off the New 
Year.  
> Speaking of which, I'd like to wish all of the Troniacs out there a 
Happy New Year!
> 
> Ken M.