So I fucked up
2004-11-09 by lsf5275@aol.com
Oops. How about Klaatu?
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So I fucked up
Re: [Mellotronists] So I fucked up
2004-11-10 by jonesalley
> Oops. How about Klaatu?
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Don't know enough about them to say, but I'd
wager there was a lot of previous songwriting experience in the band before they
recorded an albums together.
Re: [Mellotronists] So I fucked up
2004-11-10 by Chris Dale
Klaatu ( from Buttonville - just outside Toronto) were
already seasoned session musicians who wrote jingles for
advertisements but did work out their song arrangements before they
recorded them. Their old mellotron still resides in Toronto as well (as some of
you from Tronto will remember).
I don't know whether this proves/disproves the point, but I gather much of
the brew-ha-ha about their first album was because it was originally thought to
be the Beatles working undercover.
As some of you know the name "Klaatu" came from Micheal Rennie's character
in The Day The Earth Stood Still. The spaceship in the movie landed at
3:47 EST hence the name of their album.
Ringo Starr's "Goodnight Vienna" has an album cover with Ringo's head
superimposed over the Klaatu character's head which is how the Beatles
connection originally was made. The lack of credits on the album added to the
rumours.
Of course, this media attention given to first album releases may help
to establish a band e.g King Crimson as worthwhile, but I'm not
sure it applies across the board. I think it depends on who the musicians
are/what state of musicianship they're at.
Late 60's Beatles music has generally more more musical credibility
than their early output, some of which is outright tennybopper crap. Ditto
Dazed and Confused minus the teenybopper element. The slow riff sounds like
it was stolen from Chicagos' 25 or 6 to 4.
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----- Original Message -----From: jonesalleyTo: MellotronistsSent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:35 PMSubject: Re: [Mellotronists] So I fucked up> Oops. How about Klaatu?Don't know enough about them to say, but I'd wager there was a lot of previous songwriting experience in the band before they recorded an albums together.
Re: [Mellotronists] So I fucked up
2004-11-10 by Ignacio Nieto Carvajal
El mar, 09-11-2004 a las 20:35 -0600, jonesalley escribi\ufffd: > > Oops. How about Klaatu? > > > Don't know enough about them to say, but I'd wager there was a lot of > previous songwriting experience in the band before they recorded an > albums together. > > What about Mozart? (a 5 years old child is not supposed to have much songwriting experience :P). Anyway discussing this is a bit stupid. There would always been musicians composing excelent music just at the beggining of their "musical training" (what about "The Doors" - one of my personal faves - or Greg Lake -"Lucky Man" was composed when he was 14, much befor joining KC - or many others...) and musical genius that require a lot of experience to start writing good songs (Beatles comes to mind, IMHO they started to make really good music with the "Revolver" album -- Danger! Danger! Beatles' Heresy On The Way :D). In fact, one of the first tunes I wrote on the piano (when I discovered what a "Minor Scale" was :) is now one of my band's favourite tunes. Nacho.
Re: [Mellotronists] So I fucked up
2004-11-10 by jonesalley
>>> What about Mozart? (a 5 years old child is not supposed to
have much songwriting experience :P). Anyway discussing this is a bit stupid.
There would always been musicians composing excelent music just at the beggining
of their "musical training" (what about "The Doors" - one of my personal faves -
or Greg Lake -"Lucky Man" was composed when he was 14, much befor joining KC -
or many others...) and musical genius that require a lot of experience to start
writing good songs (Beatles comes to mind, IMHO they started to make really good
music with the "Revolver" album -- Danger! Danger! Beatles' Heresy On The Way
:D). In fact, one of the first tunes I wrote on the piano (when I discovered
what a "Minor Scale" was :) is now one of my band's favourite
tunes.
-----I was expecting somebody to pull out the Mozart card with a flourish and an "aha!" Now that it's been done, let's look at the truth. Anybody ever listened to those extremely early compositions of Wolfie's? They suck. Curiously enough, they sound like they were written by a primary-school-aged child. The ONLY amazing thing about them was that they were COMPLETED compositions, stylistically and compositionally correct for the time, that were written by a very young person.
-----I was expecting somebody to pull out the Mozart card with a flourish and an "aha!" Now that it's been done, let's look at the truth. Anybody ever listened to those extremely early compositions of Wolfie's? They suck. Curiously enough, they sound like they were written by a primary-school-aged child. The ONLY amazing thing about them was that they were COMPLETED compositions, stylistically and compositionally correct for the time, that were written by a very young person.
I also beg to differ that this is a stupid conversation. I am
terribly tired of hearing first efforts paraded around as epic music that
broadens the horizons of composition. IF you can find ONE first
composition that qualifies as great music, I will be amazed, and that will only
demonstrate what an exception to the rule it actually is. The Doors?
Right, once again, none of those guys had written any songs before the band
formed. Greg Lake and "Lucky Man?" First of all, "Lucky Man" is NOT
a great composition. It is a VERY ordinary and non-innovative
song. The only thing that made it into the musical icon it is today was
Keith's 45-second improvisation at the end, which was not really intended to be
a part of the song and was only placed there at the insistence of the
producer. Once again, please read my original comments slowly. You
have missed the entire point.
And Nacho, please understand that I do not intend any personal attack on
you or your songwriting abilities, but using the anecdotal evidence of your own
composition is anything but compelling evidence. I grant NO CREDIBILITY to
the opinions of friends, fans, and family members when it comes to original
music performed in a local-band setting. If you play your song before an
audience of utter strangers who have never heard it before and don't know
anything about you and it receives great acclaim under those conditions, I'll be
willing to listen to further debate, but I've been playing out long enough to
know that the opinions of those friends, fans, and family members mean
absolutely nothing. They would like just about anything you do that isn't
utterly wretched and even then they are usually still pretty forgiving.
I stand by my original point. It takes at least one hundred
completely finished compositions before a writer of music comes up with anything
worth listening to.
Re: [Mellotronists] So I fucked up
2004-11-10 by tronbros@aol.com
In a message dated 10/11/04 5:59:05 PM GMT Standard Time, jonesalley@... writes: > I stand by my original point. It takes at least one hundred completely > finished compositions before a writer of music comes up with anything worth > listening to It hasn't worked for the horrendously over rated, duller than dull, drabber than drab REM. Streetly Electronics - all things MELLOTRONIC - click this link.......... US East Coast Agent: Jimmy Moore - JMoore6397@... West Coast Service Agent: Paul J Cox - pjc56@...
Re: [Mellotronists] So I fucked up
2004-11-10 by Andy Thompson
----- Original Message -----From: tronbros@...Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:07 PMSubject: Re: [Mellotronists] So I fucked upIn a message dated 10/11/04 5:59:05 PM GMT Standard Time, jonesalley@... writes:
I stand by my original point. It takes at least one hundred completely finished compositions before a writer of music comes up with anything worth listening to
It hasn't worked for the horrendously over rated, duller than dull, drabber than drab REM.Indeed! So maybe we should qualify Jon's statement with a caveat stating that there's no guarantee of quality after the first 100. :-) BTW, while not being a fan of any era REM, I actually find their earlier stuff more palatable than their later, although public opinion isn't with me. Again.
Andy T.p.s. Lazy sod that I am, I haven't written anywhere near 100 songs ever. Does this mean I'm still shit?
Re: [Mellotronists] So I fucked up
2004-11-10 by jonesalley
It hasn't worked for
the horrendously over rated, duller than dull, drabber than drab
REM.
Same point, read my original statement. I never said or even
implied that you automatically join the "great composers" club just by writing a
hundred songs. I made the point that "IF you have any talent" it still
takes at least a hundred compositions to learn enough about your craft to write
anything worth listening to. No talent is no talent, no matter how many
times you try. Salieri, anyone?
Re: So I fucked up
2004-11-10 by ceccles_ca
--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "jonesalley" <jonesalley@c...> wrote: > It hasn't worked for the horrendously over rated, duller than dull, drabber than drab REM. > > > Same point, read my original statement. I never said or even implied that you automatically join the "great composers" club just by writing a hundred songs. I made the point that "IF you have any talent" it still takes at least a hundred compositions to learn enough about your craft to write anything worth listening to. No talent is no talent, no matter how many times you try. Salieri, anyone? OK Jon You are composing good things. Let us know what your plans are for recording this material. Is it instumental? If not, have you found the right vocalist? You know that a number of people on the list like your work. Let us know if you need anything. Clay
Re: [Mellotronists] So I fucked up
2004-11-10 by fdoddy@aol.com
In a message dated 10/11/04 5:59:05 PM GMT Standard Time, jonesalley@... writes: I stand by my original point.\ufffd It takes at least one hundred completely finished compositions before a writer of music comes up with anything worth listening to You are crazy!!! I'll argue that point with you only if it involves a bottle of a 25 year old single malt. fritz
Re: [Mellotronists] So I fucked up
2004-11-10 by lsf5275@aol.com
In a message dated 11/10/2004 2:27:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, andy.thompson@... writes: p.s. Lazy sod that I am, I haven't written anywhere near 100 songs ever. Does this mean I'm still shit? Yes, Andy, I'm afraid so. Frank
Re: [Mellotronists] So I fucked up
2004-11-10 by Andy Thompson
----- Original Message -----From: LSF5275@...Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:56 PMSubject: Re: [Mellotronists] So I fucked upIn a message dated 11/10/2004 2:27:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, andy.thompson@... writes:p.s. Lazy sod that I am, I haven't written anywhere near 100 songs ever. Does this mean I'm still shit?Yes, Andy, I'm afraid so.FrankBummer. :-)Andy
Re: [Mellotronists] Re: So I fucked up
2004-11-10 by jonesalley
> OK Jon > > You are composing good things. Let us know what your plans are for > recording this material. Is it instumental? If not, have you found > the right vocalist? You know that a number of people on the list > like your work. Let us know if you need anything. I'm hoping that is intended to be humorous rather than some sort of slur on my own writing. The ONLY reference I have made to my work is that "at age fifty, I am finally starting to write some things that I like." Did I say my stuff was great? No. Did I say I have plans for recording and releasing it? No. As a matter of fact, I am the first to say that my music has no commercial viability at all. I write if for me, and me alone.
Re: [Mellotronists] So I fucked up
2004-11-10 by jonesalley
> You are crazy!!! I'll argue that point with you only if it involves a > bottle of a 25 year old single malt. Aaaah, I quit imbibing a couple of years ago, but if there ever was a payoff I would have taken, that would have been it!
Re: [Mellotronists] So I fucked up
2004-11-10 by jonesalley
p.s. Lazy sod
that I am, I haven't written anywhere near 100 songs ever. Does this mean I'm
still shit?
Yes, Andy, I'm afraid so.
Frank
There, beat up on Frank for a while,
OK?
Thanks, Frank!
Skellotron
2004-11-12 by ceccles_ca
Skellotron... See the pictures!!!! This thing looks great. http://www.members.aol.com/tronbros/index.htm Clay
Re: [Mellotronists] Skellotron
2004-11-18 by Andy Thompson
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From: "ceccles_ca" <clay123@...> To: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: [Mellotronists] Skellotron > Skellotron... See the pictures!!!! > This thing looks great. > > http://www.members.aol.com/tronbros/index.htm > > Clay Could have problems withstanding the rigours of the road. :-) Andy T.
Re: [Mellotronists] Skellotron
2004-11-18 by tronbros@aol.com
In a message dated 18/11/04 11:58:04 AM GMT Standard Time, andy.thompson@... writes: > Could have problems withstanding the rigours of the road. :-) > It's not intended for gigging, more a studio piece. Martin Streetly Electronics - all things MELLOTRONIC - click this link.......... US East Coast Agent: Jimmy Moore - JMoore6397@... West Coast Service Agent: Paul J Cox - pjc56@...
Re: [Mellotronists] Skellotron
2004-11-18 by Hirofumi Takamiya
Some More Pictures! http://www.geocities.jp/mellotronics/skellotron.html ------------------------------------------------------------ Hirofumi Takamiya Tokyo Mellotron Studio http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand-Asagao/7669/ ------------------------------------------------------------
Re: [Mellotronists] Skellotron
2004-11-18 by kenmerb@aol.com
In a message dated 11/18/2004 8:09:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, mellotronics@... writes: > Some More Pictures! > http://www.geocities.jp/mellotronics/skellotron.html > ------------------------------------------------------------ > I like the look of this machine. Everything's right there in the open if you need to make adjustments. Changing tape frames would also be easier. It would never work for me, though. First couple of notes and my cat would be all tangled in it. Too much of a temptation for him, watching those tapes go up and down ;-). Ken M.
Re: [Mellotronists] Skellotron
2004-11-18 by kenmerb@aol.com
In a message dated 11/18/2004 8:09:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, mellotronics@... writes:
Just realized - pitch sweeps would be kind of a stretch on this machine ;-).
Ken M.
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Some More Pictures!
http://www.geocities.jp/mellotronics/skellotron.html
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Just realized - pitch sweeps would be kind of a stretch on this machine ;-).
Ken M.
Re: [Mellotronists] Skellotron
2004-11-18 by tronbros@aol.com
In a message dated 18/11/04 3:49:57 PM GMT Standard Time, kenmerb@... writes: > Just realized - pitch sweeps would be kind of a stretch on this machine > ;-). Near impossible unless you've got a three foot dick with fingers. Who wrote this filth? Streetly Electronics - all things MELLOTRONIC - click this link.......... US East Coast Agent: Jimmy Moore - JMoore6397@... West Coast Service Agent: Paul J Cox - pjc56@...
Re: [Mellotronists] Skellotron
2004-11-18 by J.K.Beresford
Or you can reach the flywheel with your tongue! Just realized - pitch sweeps would be kind of a stretch on this machine ;-). Near impossible unless you've got a three foot dick with fingers. Who wrote this filth? Streetly Electronics - all things MELLOTRONIC - click this link.......... US East Coast Agent: Jimmy Moore - JMoore6397@... West Coast Service Agent: Paul J Cox - pjc56@...
Re: [Mellotronists] Skellotron
2004-11-18 by kenmerb@aol.com
In a message dated 11/18/2004 11:09:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, tronbros@... writes: > > >> Just realized - pitch sweeps would be kind of a stretch on this machine >> ;-). > > Near impossible unless you've got a three foot dick with fingers. > > Who wrote this filth? > Perhaps, far into the future, Mellotronists will evolve this way. Or, you could just add a foot control ;-). Ken M.
Skellotron
2005-06-03 by Charles
I can't wait to see Martin and John's skellotron version of the MK2...chrome,bronze,and crystal...with solid gold knobs.
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