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This fascinating page says 354.
http://www-dcrp.ced.berkeley.edu/Cervero/crimtron.htm



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From: "Dagfinn H" <captain_yossarian@...>
To: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 5:42 PM
Subject: [Mellotronists] Crimson M400: #254 or #354?


> Does anyone know whether the carpet-clad M400 used on _Islands_, _LTiA_ 
> and
> _Starless_ was #254 or #354? I'm getting mixed signals.
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> Trivia question for the day, I guess. :)
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Very interesting.  When I first saw KC at the Palace in Waterbury, 
Connecticut USA in 1973, they opened for Edgar Winter. The band was 
Fripp, Mel Collins, Boz and, I think, Ian Wallace. Both Collins and 
Fripp had white M400's, not shown on this website. But the Starless 
Tron looks like it may have once been white. Sometimes both Trons
were played simultaneously; a real treat!

Bernie

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "jonesalley" <jonesalley@c...> 
wrote:
> This fascinating page says 354.
> http://www-dcrp.ced.berkeley.edu/Cervero/crimtron.htm
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dagfinn H" <captain_yossarian@h...>
> To: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 5:42 PM
> Subject: [Mellotronists] Crimson M400: #254 or #354?
> 
> 
> > Does anyone know whether the carpet-clad M400 used on _Islands_, 
_LTiA_ 
> > and
> > _Starless_ was #254 or #354? I'm getting mixed signals.
> >
> > Trivia question for the day, I guess. :)
> >
> > Cheers,
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> > Dagfinn
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Yup, I'm inclined to give this guy some precedence, but a previous message 
on Mellotronists 
(http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Mellotronists/message/20) states the 
serial as #254 ... a typo, perhaps. Anyway, thanks for the assistance!

Dagfinn


>From: "jonesalley" <jonesalley@...>
>To: "Mellotronists" <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Fw: [Mellotronists] Crimson M400: #254 or #354?
>Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:50:50 -0500
>
>This fascinating page says 354.
>http://www-dcrp.ced.berkeley.edu/Cervero/crimtron.htm
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dagfinn H" <captain_yossarian@...>
>To: <Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 5:42 PM
>Subject: [Mellotronists] Crimson M400: #254 or #354?
>
>
> > Does anyone know whether the carpet-clad M400 used on _Islands_, _LTiA_
> > and
> > _Starless_ was #254 or #354? I'm getting mixed signals.
> >
> > Trivia question for the day, I guess. :)
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> > Cheers,
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> > Dagfinn
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If #354 (or #254 ... benefit of the doubt) really was one of the regular 
white-coated units that were seen touring with Crimson in the early years, 
then ...

Either way it would be a fascinating coincidence.

How does your recollection of the M400 you carpeted compare to the Islands 
Tron depicted at http://www-dcrp.ced.berkeley.edu/Cervero/crimtron.htm? You 
say the cabinet was in poor shape when you received the unit ... 
extensive-touring-with-frustrated-band-members-poor, perhaps?

Now, doth the craftsman recognize his work?

Dagfinn


>From: kinchmusic@...
>To: mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] Crimson M400: #254 or #354?
>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 04:52:47 EDT
>
>Strange on this.
>Before this list, back in 1981 I owned a white m400 which I bought with the
>cabinet in pretty poor shape. So i hit on the idea to carpet the outside in 
>an
>  unusual industrial blue. Edging the corners and sides with alloy/plastic
>strip.
>Could be a coincidence, or more likely, I think that unknowingly I let this
>historic machine through my grasp when I sold it a couple of years later. 
>Had
>no  record of the serial number either. Damn!
>Andy K. Serial number Andy 2 (you were here first Andy  T)

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Either that or you were taking a serious piddle ...

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>From: "Dagfinn H" <captain_yossarian@...>
>To: mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] Crimson M400: #254 or #354?
>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:31:32 +0000
>
>If #354 (or #254 ... benefit of the doubt) really was one of the regular
>white-coated units that were seen touring with Crimson in the early years,
>then ...
>
>Either way it would be a fascinating coincidence.
>
>How does your recollection of the M400 you carpeted compare to the Islands
>Tron depicted at http://www-dcrp.ced.berkeley.edu/Cervero/crimtron.htm? You
>say the cabinet was in poor shape when you received the unit ...
>extensive-touring-with-frustrated-band-members-poor, perhaps?
>
>Now, doth the craftsman recognize his work?
>
>Dagfinn
>
>
> >From: kinchmusic@...
> >To: mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: Fw: [Mellotronists] Crimson M400: #254 or #354?
> >Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 04:52:47 EDT
> >
> >Strange on this.
> >Before this list, back in 1981 I owned a white m400 which I bought with 
>the
> >cabinet in pretty poor shape. So i hit on the idea to carpet the outside 
>in
> >an
> >  unusual industrial blue. Edging the corners and sides with 
>alloy/plastic
> >strip.
> >Could be a coincidence, or more likely, I think that unknowingly I let 
>this
> >historic machine through my grasp when I sold it a couple of years later.
> >Had
> >no  record of the serial number either. Damn!
> >Andy K. Serial number Andy 2 (you were here first Andy  T)
>
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In a message dated 29/08/2005 13:32:25 GMT Daylight Time,  
captain_yossarian@... writes:

How does  your recollection of the M400 you carpeted compare to the Islands 
Tron  depicted at http://www-dcrp.ced.berkeley.edu/Cervero/crimtron.htm? You 
say  the cabinet was in poor shape when you received the unit ...  
extensive-touring-with-frustrated-band-members-poor, perhaps?

Now,  doth the craftsman recognize his work?



Sadly, I do recognise this as being my creation. I can't say with  absolute 
certainty, but unless someone else had exactly the same idea, which is  
possible I guess, it's probable that it's the same machine.
I thought that the carpet would be a good to help protect the unit (which  it 
did), and would look good, which actually looking at it again, does, in my  
opinion.
In fact, I made the mistake of doing the work in a small, poorly ventilated  
room. I didn't realise this was a mistake until I came round. I had passed 
out,  having OD'd on the glue fumes!
The things we do......
Andy K

>Sadly, I do recognise this as being my creation. I can't say with  absolute
>certainty, but unless someone else had exactly the same idea, which is
>possible I guess, it's probable that it's the same machine.

It is! I guess that must be a quite cool *and* uncool thing to know.

But how did you hook up with the Tron? Who sold it to you? And who finally 
took it off your hands?

There are currently 365 people on this list; I mean, someone here must have 
at least some clue as to what happened to the carpet unit/"Islands" 
(Isle-o-Tron?) after its brief foray into Uriah Heep (in 1975, via John 
Wetton), and alleged return to KC.

Bob Fripp might be able to shed some light on the pedigree, but he's 
probably set his spam filters to *KILL* any incoming mail suggestive of 
mellotronic content. Even (=especially) from the likes of us.

Any ideas?

Regards,

Dagfinn

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In a message dated 29/08/2005 18:46:52 GMT Daylight Time,  
captain_yossarian@... writes:

But how  did you hook up with the Tron? Who sold it to you? And who finally 
took it  off your hands?



I'd love to be able to provide interesting anecdotes of how the unit was  
found and lost within such a short space of time. But, but back in the  early 
80's the only place to buy and sell anything like this here in the UK  was Melody 
Maker, and that's how it happened.
Maybe I should have made something more colourful up....
All I can say, is that having early electronics on board, it went in and  out 
of tune like crazy. And don't forget, Mellotrons were being dumped  
everywhere in favour of the new polyphonic synthesisers during that period. 
Shame on us..
Andy K

>I'd love to be able to provide interesting anecdotes of how the unit was
>found and lost within such a short space of time. But, but back in the  
>early
>80's the only place to buy and sell anything like this here in the UK  was 
>Melody
>Maker, and that's how it happened.

That's a shame.

And to think that this chance encounter with a Crimsotron would culminate in 
a narcotic haze ... a bit in the spirit of things, perhaps?

Dagfinn

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--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie Kornowicz" 
<kornowicz@c...> wrote:
> Very interesting.  When I first saw KC at the Palace in Waterbury, 
> Connecticut USA in 1973, they opened for Edgar Winter. The band was 
> Fripp, Mel Collins, Boz and, I think, Ian Wallace. 

not in 1973 it wasn't. that band played together from April 1971 - 
April 1972. that version of the band did play the Palace in Waterbury 
on 3 March 1972.

> Both Collins and Fripp had white M400's, not shown on this website. 
> But the Starless Tron looks like it may have once been white.
> Sometimes both Trons were played simultaneously; a real treat!

obviously, not all the Mellotrons the band used are shown on that 
site. during their 1969 tour of the States, after fire/water damage to 
one of their Trons, they were travelling with THREE Mark II's 
(although only one appeared on stage on any given night...the others 
were backups).

from 1971 to 1974 they had 2 M400's on stage during their shows. Fripp 
played one and either Mel Collins (1971/2) or David Cross (1972-4) 
played the other. sometimes both were white. i've seen one white and 
one black. so they probably were carrying 3 (possibly 4) M400's around 
on tour at this point. 

Steve