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That was not exactly my question...

Le 18 octobre 2019 21:00:21 GMT+02:00, "Frank Berryman faberryman@... [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
>" I don't know how much carbon is in a P600 OEM ink print.  So, I avoid
>referring to the P600 prints as "carbon prints."
>
>Inkjet prints are not carbon prints no matter how much carbon is in the
>ink
>sets. Carbon prints are carbon prints. The are made pursuant to a
>specific
>historical process. Let's not try to made inkjet prints something they
>are
>not. I call my inkjet prints pigment ink prints to distinguish them
>from
>dye ink prints. I eschew the term archival pigment prints. I don't know
>how
>archival they are.
>
>On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 1:37 PM Paul Roark roark.paul@...
>[QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Sylvain,
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 7:51 AM 'Sylvain M.'
>sylvain@...
>> [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ... Paul. If I understand well, you do not use the P600 for carbon
>>> print, right?
>>>
>> I don't know how much carbon is in a P600 OEM ink print.  So, I avoid
>> referring to the P600 prints as "carbon prints."
>>
>> In my B&W inksets and pirnting, I use as much carbon as possible to
>> achieve the print tone I want.  That, plus the best possible color
>pigments
>> to pull the carbon warm hue to neutral, has historically been the
>best way
>> to get the most archival, lightfast B&W inkjet print.  The inkset I
>> currently use is described here --
>>
>https://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/7800-Glossy-Carbon-Variable-Tone-2016.pdf
>--
>> and follows that approach.
>>
>> A 100% carbon print is warm on most papers -- about half way to sepia
>on
>> glossy paper (which can be nice for old photo reproduction).  That
>said, I
>> can also make a 100% carbon print that is neutral enough on some
>matte
>> papers, like Arches watercolor paper, that (with the right profile
>> emphasizing the more neutral, higher density pigment dilutions) it
>can look
>> neutral when displayed in normal lighting.  So, in my 7800 and 9800 I
>can
>> print 100% carbon on matte or glossy paper.  But I usually print
>neutral,
>> using a color "toner" that uses the best color pigs I can buy.
>>
>> MIS does still make its carbon pigments available.  They set up a
>page
>> with what is supposed to be what I use.  See
>> https://www.inksupply.com/roarkslab.cfm.  The MIS or
>> https://www.inksupply.com  pre-mixed blue toner uses third party
>color
>> pigments.  I do not use these.  I mix my own toner, which MIS does
>not
>> sell.  (It cannot make a profit using Canon retail-priced pigments.)
>>
>> I have not done a comparative test between my P600's ABW mode neutral
>> print and the variable-tone inkset I mix.  I assume the ABW formula
>is very
>> good, but since I generally don't use my P600 for the prints I sell
>or
>> display, it's a moot point for me.  With the 7800 variable-tone
>inkset
>> (link above), using MIS carbons and Canon C and Blue, I'm
>sufficiently
>> confident in the inkset performance to focus on other aspects of
>> photography.
>>
>> Paul
>> www.PaulRoark.com
>>
>>
>> Le 2019-10-18 16:36, Paul Roark roark.paul@gmail.com [QuadtoneRIP] a
>écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was in the same situation and bought the Epson p600.  However, for
>the
>>> foreseeable future I'm keeping OEM color inks in it.  I need a color
>>> printer.  That said, I assume the dedicated B&W inks that are
>available
>>> would work fine in it -- with some caveats.  You might need to
>linearize
>>> profiles yourself. Also, I do not know about the quality of empty,
>>> refillable carts.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> www.PaulRoark.com
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 10:57 PM 'Sylvain M.'
>sylvain@...
>>> <#m_6943158576496545260_m_-3410913465108938321_NOP> [QuadtoneRIP] <
>>> QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all!
>>>>
>>>> It's been a while since my last post... Life, familly and job, keep
>me
>>>> quite away from my digital lab.
>>>>
>>>> However, my old Epson SP 1400 died this week, so I need a new
>printer
>>>> for my Eboni inks and I need your help folks... Which one should I
>choose?
>>>> I had a quick look to Epson product line, and considering the fact
>that I'm
>>>> on Ebony, and that I' might move to Piezo HD one day, I saw 2
>potential
>>>> candidates: SC-P400 and SC-P600. P600 is listed by QTR, not P400.
>>>>
>>>> > Can P400 be used by QTR anyway?
>>>>
>>>> > Is the P400 a good choice? Or is there any good reason to go to
>P600
>>>> (more expensive, of course)?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your expertise and experience,
>>>>
>>>> Have a good day.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Sylvain M.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

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