QTR-Quadtone RIP

Tom,

As far as I can tell, I'm doing all the things I am supposed to do. I 
use the QTR profile for my Epson 2200 with Enhanced Matte Paper and 
Epson inks (Printer <Quad2200>, Curve UC-EEnhMatte-cool, -coolSe, -
Sepia or -warm). PS Proof Colors, once I set it up right, shows me 
that a significant flattening of the image will occur in print and 
when I print the image that gets confirmed very clearly.

I view my prints in SoLux 5000K light and view the QTR prints right 
next to the prints made with the Epson driver, all after at least an 
hour of drying and the differences are very obvious.

So, I'm afraid that your statement that it isn't so, isn't so.

The fact that Proof Colors shows no noticeable change for the Epson 
route but shows significant change for the QTR route and the obvious 
differences between the actual prints seems to indicate to me that 
the QTR profile/method is introducing some very noticeable tonality 
shifts, as compared to the Epson route.

So I am still grasping for straws! What else can I try and have other 
people had similar issues?

Frans Waterlander

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Moore" <r.t.moore@...> wrote:
>
> Frans
> 
> In a nutshell, this isn't so.
> 
> If you use a curve for a paper ink combination for which it was
> designed, you should be able to get the deepest blacks possible 
witth
> that printer/paper/ink and it should be much more neutral (or
> consistently toned) than a print using the Epson driver. There are
> many expert B&W printers who extoll the benefits of QTR
> 
> I can't see your Epson results; I can't see your QTR results and I
> don't know the conditions under which you are viewing prints and the
> monitor. All I can do is explain the process as best I can. That 
I've
> done. I can also urge you to keep trying QTR, because I know it 
works.
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Tom Moore
> 
> I should also point out that, of course, you can tweak the image 
while
> viewing it using the softproof for the paper you plan to print it 
on. 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "fwaterlander" <frans2001@> 
wrote:
> >
> > Tom,
> > 
> > Yes, when I use the Gray Matte Paper profile for Soft Proofing a 
> > grayscale image or RGB Matte Paper profile for Soft Proofing an 
RGB 
> > image, then indeed I see the flattening. However, this doesn't 
> > resolve the issue; it only shows what I perceive as a major 
> > deficiency in QTR, namely the severe degradation of the image 
when 
> > printed. When I use the Epson driver, I don't get such 
degradation, 
> > although I get some coloration that I am trying to avoid by using 
QTR.
> > 
> > So, is this the best I can expect of QTR without creating my own 
> > special curves (something I want to avoid doing like the plague) 
or 
> > tweak every image for overall brightness, shadow darkness and 
> > contrast before printing with QTR?
> > 
> > Please tell me this isn't so!
> > 
> > Frans Waterlander
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Moore" <r.t.moore@> 
wrote:
> > >
> > > Frans
> > > 
> > > If Simulate Black Ink is grayed out, I suspect that when you 
are 
> > setting up
> > > the View/Proof Setup/Custom... window, you are selecting QTR-
RGB-
> > LAB in the
> > > Device to Simulate pull-down. You need to select a printing 
> > profile. The
> > > generic matte one would be QTR-RGB-Matte Paper. Then you should 
be 
> > able to
> > > select Simulate Black Ink - at least I can. It causes a 
noticeable 
> > change in
> > > the visible image.
> > > 
> > > If you create a profile for your specific Printer/Ink/Paper 
> > combination you
> > > will also be able to select Simulate Paper Color. This causes 
an 
> > even more
> > > noticeable change. My prints are quite close to my monitor soft 
> > proof this
> > > way.
> > > 
> > > Tom Moore
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
> > [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > > Behalf Of fwaterlander
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:08 PM
> > > > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Why are Epson 2200 prints too dark
> > > > 
> > > > Tom,
> > > > 
> > > > Why is there no mention in the QTRgui Help or User guide 
about 
> > what
> > > > resolution the profiles are based on or how to modify your 
image 
> > for
> > > > different resolutions and how did you find out?
> > > > 
> > > > I get excellent monitor-to-print matching using the Epson 
driver 
> > for
> > > > both color and b&w images. Of course the Epson driver has its
> > > > limitations for b&w images that I hope to overcome with QTR.
> > > > 
> > > > When I use the Proof Colors feature in my PS CS per your 
> > suggestions
> > > > (Simulate Black Ink is grayed out), I do not see any change 
when
> > > > toggling between straight display mode and Proof Colors mode.
> > > > 
> > > > Your help is greatly appreciated.
> > > > 
> > > > Frans Waterlander
> > > 
> > > ...
> > > 
> > > >
> > >
> >
>