QTR-Quadtone RIP

Duane,

I really appreciate all the help I am getting from you and others. 
The results I was getting up to about half an hour ago seemed to 
indicate to me that something was terribly wrong and some of the 
resulting frustration echoed in my posts, no doubt. However, it looks 
like I found the solution to the problem I have been describing here.

As a "last resort" I browsed through the QuadToneRIP directory on my 
harddrive and discovered, in the icc subdirectory, a readme file with 
instructions to Convert to Profile using either Gray Matte Paper or 
Gray Photo Paper. To the best of my knowledge this information is not 
included in the QTRgui help or User guide. After conversion I get the 
excellent monitor-to-print match that I was hoping for and I will NOT 
have to tweak my images!

Thank you Duane and all others! QTR is starting to look like the tool 
I was hoping it is.

Frans Waterlander

(However, I now have a new issue: a single white line at the leading 
edge of the print; see my next post)

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dlruckus" <dlruckus@...> wrote:
>
> Hi again Frans.
> Actually I did get your point the first time. I responded the way I
> did because I think you are putting the cart before the horse. You
> really should either try the process you are criticizing to it's 
end,
> in the ways suggested, first -- or, if you have a terrible aversion 
to
> doing that, just forget it all and move on. QTR is not Epson lite. 
It
> is a different animal entirely and has it's own workflows and
> rationals. What you see in the softproofed image on your monitor IS
> the reality when you are looking at it. You asked for assistance 
here
> and Tom has given you a considerable amount of help. It serves 
neither
> you nor anyone trying to help you, for you to complain about why you
> should have to do this or that or the other. You simply don't have
> sufficient knowledge as yet to be a critic. Hopefully you will get
> past your blockage and expend the slight energy it will take to 
edit a
> copy of your original file under the QTR matt softproof and print it
> with the same profile applied to it. Then if you still don't like 
the
> results, well--so be it, at least you will have tried.
> 
> Regards
> Duane
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "fwaterlander" <frans2001@> 
wrote:
> >
> > Duane,
> > 
> > I'm afraid you are missing the point. With the Epson driver I get 
a 
> > near perfect monitor-to-print match (with the exception of slight 
> > coloration in certain areas). With QTR I get a significant 
monitor-to-
> > print mismatch. Of course I can tweak the image beyond what I 
like to 
> > see on the monitor to compensate for what seem to be a 
significant 
> > tonality shifts in QTR, but why should I have to do that? I 
expect 
> > QTR to NOT shift tonalities to the extent is does and throw off 
the 
> > match between what I see on the monitor and what I see in the 
print.
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dlruckus" <dlruckus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Frans.
> > > If you want to judge how well a process works compare apples to
> > > apples. The soft proof is telling you what you needed to know. 
Use 
> > it.
> > > It is intended to show you what you are going to get when 
printed 
> > and
> > > apparently it is doing that. If you don't like what it is 
telling 
> > you
> > > then edit your file until it Does look like what you want. Then 
> > print
> > > it using the same profile. THEN judge how well it is working. 
> > Seemings
> > > are really irrelevant until tested:)
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > > Duane
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "fwaterlander" <frans2001@> 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tom,
> > > > 
> > > > As far as I can tell, I'm doing all the things I am supposed 
to 
> > do. I 
> > > > use the QTR profile for my Epson 2200 with Enhanced Matte 
Paper 
> > and 
> > > > Epson inks (Printer <Quad2200>, Curve UC-EEnhMatte-cool, -
> > coolSe, -
> > > > Sepia or -warm). PS Proof Colors, once I set it up right, 
shows 
> > me 
> > > > that a significant flattening of the image will occur in 
print 
> > and 
> > > > when I print the image that gets confirmed very clearly.
> > > > 
> > > > I view my prints in SoLux 5000K light and view the QTR prints 
> > right 
> > > > next to the prints made with the Epson driver, all after at 
least 
> > an 
> > > > hour of drying and the differences are very obvious.
> > > > 
> > > > So, I'm afraid that your statement that it isn't so, isn't so.
> > > > 
> > > > The fact that Proof Colors shows no noticeable change for the 
> > Epson 
> > > > route but shows significant change for the QTR route and the 
> > obvious 
> > > > differences between the actual prints seems to indicate to me 
> > that 
> > > > the QTR profile/method is introducing some very noticeable 
> > tonality 
> > > > shifts, as compared to the Epson route.
> > > > 
> > > > So I am still grasping for straws! What else can I try and 
have 
> > other 
> > > > people had similar issues?
> > > > 
> > > > Frans Waterlander
> > > >
> > >
> >
>