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2005-09-21 by Tom Husband
Where is QTR Create ICC and are there any instructions? I see it in the eye-one folder but when I double click on the .exe file something appears and the disappears very quickly. I don't see it anywhere in the gui. I have an X-rite 810 but not an eye one. Does that make any difference? Thanks, Tom
2005-09-21 by Tom Husband
----- Original Message -----From: Tom HusbandSent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 5:34 PMSubject: [QuadtoneRIP] QTR Create ICCWhere is QTR Create ICC and are there any instructions? I see it in
the eye-one folder but when I double click on the .exe file something
appears and the disappears very quickly. I don't see it anywhere in
the gui. I have an X-rite 810 but not an eye one. Does that make any
difference?
Thanks,
Tom
2005-09-21 by Tom Moore
Tom Create-icc takes an I1 Measure File as input. It takes the name of the file from the command line. If you just click on the executable, it doesn't find a name and quits right away, hence the behaviour. A Measure File is a text file with a specific format. You can use the spreadsheet called curveeval.xls in the files section of this group to export a Measure File based on density readings taken into excel. Xrite's Toolcrib or xkey utilities can be used to import density readings from an 810 into an application like excel. If you don't have excel you could also use the MeasureFile.csv that I also uploaded to the files area. It's a comma separated value file (text editable). It's not as convenient to edit, but quite doable. You'll have to convert your 810 density readings to L* (Lightness) values as required by create-icc. My spreadsheet will do that or you can use Bruce Lindbloom's companding calculator that's available at: http://www.brucelindbloom.com/index.html?CompandCalculator.html Good luck Tom Moore _____
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2008-01-05 by Rainer Taube
Hallo, my name is Rainer Taube, i\ufffdm from Berlin, Germany. I didn\ufffdt work with QTR for a longer time and now, trying to come back and understand again how things are working, i found something that confuses me. 1. I printed the Step-21-gray.tiff with Photoshop, no profile assigned. 2. I measured the Lab numbers with QuickRead which is still on my machine and i find it useful. 3. I exported the measured values 4. I drew the file on QTR-Linearize-Data.exe 5. The programme generates the ..._out.txt without error messages. Looking in it, all seems to be fine. 6. I drew th ..._out.txt file on QTR-Create-ICC.exe. An ....ICC is generated without error messages. So far so good. But now comes what confuses me. When i look into the numbers, that come up with QTR-Create-ICC, all Lab Values are shifted one step upwards. For example Before QTR-Create-ICC QTR-Linearize-Data version 2.5.2.0 File: C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Rainer\Eigene Dateien\Fotografie\Messungen\20080105_2100bo2-out.txt Step Dens Lab A B 0.00 0.048 95.80 0.00 0.00 - b L + 5.00 0.109 90.73 0.00 0.00 - b L + 10.00 0.177 85.25 0.00 0.00 - b L + 15.00 0.257 79.20 0.00 0.00 - b L + 20.00 0.339 73.43 0.00 0.00 - b L + 25.00 0.410 68.69 0.00 0.00 - b L + 30.00 0.485 63.93 0.00 0.00 - b L + 35.00 0.560 59.45 0.00 0.00 - b L + 40.00 0.651 54.36 0.00 0.00 - b L + 45.00 0.741 49.70 0.00 0.00 - Lb + 50.00 0.808 46.38 0.00 0.00 - L b + 55.00 0.899 42.17 0.00 0.00 - L b + 60.00 1.002 37.78 0.00 0.00 - L b + 65.00 1.116 33.26 0.00 0.00 - L b + 70.00 1.226 29.26 0.00 0.00 - L b + 75.00 1.343 25.38 0.00 0.00 - L b + 80.00 1.523 20.05 0.00 0.00 - L b + 85.00 1.679 15.98 0.00 0.00 - L b + 90.00 1.813 12.85 0.00 0.00 - L b + 95.00 2.012 8.77 0.00 0.00 - L b + 100.00 2.110 7.01 0.00 0.00 - L b + LINEARIZE="95.8 90.73 85.25 79.2 73.43 68.69 63.93 59.45 54.36 49.7 46.38 42.17 37.78 33.26 29.26 25.38 20.05 15.98 12.85 8.77 7.01" After QTR-Create-ICC it looks different (see the following table) and a new -out file is createt from the input file with the name ... -out-out.txt Alle Values are shifted 1 step up, 5% becomes 0% and so on. And most amazing. The 100% step gets a density of 4 and a Lab Value of 0. Is that really ok???? What i\ufffdm doing wrong? QTR-Create-ICC version 2.5.2.0 File: C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Rainer\Eigene Dateien\Fotografie\Messungen\20080105_2100bo2-out-out.txt Step Dens Lab A B 0.00 0.109 90.73 0.00 0.00 - b L + 5.00 0.177 85.25 0.00 0.00 - b L + 10.00 0.257 79.20 0.00 0.00 - b L + 15.00 0.339 73.43 0.00 0.00 - b L + 20.00 0.410 68.69 0.00 0.00 - b L + 25.00 0.485 63.93 0.00 0.00 - b L + 30.00 0.560 59.45 0.00 0.00 - b L + 35.00 0.651 54.36 0.00 0.00 - b L + 40.00 0.741 49.70 0.00 0.00 - Lb + 45.00 0.808 46.38 0.00 0.00 - L b + 50.00 0.899 42.17 0.00 0.00 - L b + 55.00 1.002 37.78 0.00 0.00 - L b + 60.00 1.116 33.26 0.00 0.00 - L b + 65.00 1.226 29.26 0.00 0.00 - L b + 70.00 1.343 25.38 0.00 0.00 - L b + 75.00 1.523 20.05 0.00 0.00 - L b + 80.00 1.679 15.98 0.00 0.00 - L b + 85.00 1.813 12.85 0.00 0.00 - L b + 90.00 2.012 8.77 0.00 0.00 - L b + 95.00 2.110 7.01 0.00 0.00 - L b + 100.00 4.000 0.00 0.00 0.00 L b + Created ICC file C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Rainer\Eigene Dateien\Fotografie\Messungen\20080105_2100bo2-out.icc Best regards Rainer Taube
2008-01-05 by Roy Harrington
Hi Rainer, The two programs QTR-Linearize-Data and QTR-Create-ICC are both designed to take the same kind of input -- what you get out of QuickRead. So the problem is putting the output of one in to the other one. Since they are so similar it's easy to confuse the different purposes. The QTR-Linearize-Data is used in creating and linearizing a QTR profile/curve. This is done without any ICC profiling at all. Once you have a linearized QTR curve you may want to ICC profile it so that the color management features of Photoshop can be used. You'll print out a completely new stepwedge with the linearized curve, read it with QuickRead and use QTR-Create-ICC. The resultant ICC can be used as a print profile and for softproofing. Roy On Jan 5, 2008 8:45 AM, Rainer Taube <rainer@...> wrote: > Hallo, > > my name is Rainer Taube, i´m from Berlin, Germany. I didn´t work with > QTR for a longer time and now, trying to come back and understand again > how things are working, i found something that confuses me. > > 1. I printed the Step-21-gray.tiff with Photoshop, no profile assigned. > 2. I measured the Lab numbers with QuickRead which is still on my > machine and i find it useful. > 3. I exported the measured values > 4. I drew the file on QTR-Linearize-Data.exe > 5. The programme generates the ..._out.txt without error messages. > Looking in it, all seems to be fine. > 6. I drew th ..._out.txt file on QTR-Create-ICC.exe. An ....ICC is > generated without error messages. So far so good. > > ... > > Best regards > > Rainer Taube > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-01-06 by Rainer Taube
Hallo Roy, thank you for the explanation. I\ufffdll try to go on with this knowledge. Best Regards Rainer Roy Harrington schrieb:
> > Hi Rainer, > The two programs QTR-Linearize-Data and QTR-Create-ICC are both > designed to > take the same kind of input -- what you get out of QuickRead. So the > problem > is putting the output of one in to the other one. > > Since they are so similar it's easy to confuse the different purposes. > The QTR-Linearize-Data is used in creating and linearizing a QTR > profile/curve. > This is done without any ICC profiling at all. > > Once you have a linearized QTR curve you may want to ICC profile it so > that > the > color management features of Photoshop can be used. You'll print out a > completely > new stepwedge with the linearized curve, read it with QuickRead and use > QTR-Create-ICC. > The resultant ICC can be used as a print profile and for softproofing. > > Roy > > On Jan 5, 2008 8:45 AM, Rainer Taube <rainer@... > <mailto:rainer%40tauberlin.de>> wrote: > > > Hallo, > > > > my name is Rainer Taube, i\ufffdm from Berlin, Germany. I didn\ufffdt work with > > QTR for a longer time and now, trying to come back and understand again > > how things are working, i found something that confuses me. > > > > 1. I printed the Step-21-gray.tiff with Photoshop, no profile assigned. > > 2. I measured the Lab numbers with QuickRead which is still on my > > machine and i find it useful. > > 3. I exported the measured values > > 4. I drew the file on QTR-Linearize-Data.exe > > 5. The programme generates the ..._out.txt without error messages. > > Looking in it, all seems to be fine. > > 6. I drew th ..._out.txt file on QTR-Create-ICC.exe. An ....ICC is > > generated without error messages. So far so good. > > > > ... > > > > Best regards > > > > Rainer Taube > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >
2008-01-06 by Rainer Taube
Dear Roy, again thanks, but let me add a question. From your descrition i understand, that always linearized Curves should be drawn on QTR-Create-ICC. But in an article of Paul Roark, Embedding Photoshop Curves in ICCs, 30.07.2007 i read "... The Create ICC program linearizes the system by taking the readings from the 21-step test strip and correcting for differences from the ideal distribution of densities." which gave me the idea, that the Create ICC itself will make the linarization. Is that wrong? For better understanding what i\ufffdm trying to do a short description of my goal: Sometimes i prefer to print BO instead of QTR and i thought, i could generate a profile for a paper/ink combination for BO-Printing by printing the step-wedge, measuring the densities, generating the profile and converting the image into the profile. Seems that i actually don\ufffdt fully understand the linearisation process in this special case. Best Regards and thank you very much for your continous support Rainer Taube Roy Harrington schrieb:
> > Hi Rainer, > The two programs QTR-Linearize-Data and QTR-Create-ICC are both > designed to > take the same kind of input -- what you get out of QuickRead. So the > problem > is putting the output of one in to the other one. > > Since they are so similar it's easy to confuse the different purposes. > The QTR-Linearize-Data is used in creating and linearizing a QTR > profile/curve. > This is done without any ICC profiling at all. > > Once you have a linearized QTR curve you may want to ICC profile it so > that > the > color management features of Photoshop can be used. You'll print out a > completely > new stepwedge with the linearized curve, read it with QuickRead and use > QTR-Create-ICC. > The resultant ICC can be used as a print profile and for softproofing. > > Roy > > On Jan 5, 2008 8:45 AM, Rainer Taube <rainer@... > <mailto:rainer%40tauberlin.de>> wrote: > > > Hallo, > > > > my name is Rainer Taube, i\ufffdm from Berlin, Germany. I didn\ufffdt work with > > QTR for a longer time and now, trying to come back and understand again > > how things are working, i found something that confuses me. > > > > 1. I printed the Step-21-gray.tiff with Photoshop, no profile assigned. > > 2. I measured the Lab numbers with QuickRead which is still on my > > machine and i find it useful. > > 3. I exported the measured values > > 4. I drew the file on QTR-Linearize-Data.exe > > 5. The programme generates the ..._out.txt without error messages. > > Looking in it, all seems to be fine. > > 6. I drew th ..._out.txt file on QTR-Create-ICC.exe. An ....ICC is > > generated without error messages. So far so good. > > > > ... > > > > Best regards > > > > Rainer Taube > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >