QTR-Quadtone RIP

I see that Epson Artisan 1430 printers are very reasonable with the cash rebate. They have 6 carts so could presumably run on the Piezography methodology 3 inkset. But since they are not supported with curves and you would be on your own as far as profiles go, I wonder if anyone could recommend another 3rd party inkset that could be diluted down to make custom ink densities for making smooth dither free digital negatives with pretty standard density?

cheesecraft@... <cheesecraft@...> wrote:

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>
>
> I see that Epson Artisan 1430 printers are very reasonable with the cash
> rebate. They have 6 carts so could presumably run on the Piezography
> methodology 3 inkset. But since they are not supported with curves and you
> would be on your own as far as profiles go, I wonder if anyone could
> recommend another 3rd party inkset that could be diluted down to make
> custom ink densities for making smooth dither free digital negatives with
> pretty standard density?
>

MIS glossy carbons dilute easily to any density you want.  They have PK (K4
is modern and lower load, MP is the older higher load PK), LK, LLK -- the
standards.  They also have UT-C (between PK and LK, originally aimed at 30%
MK density) and UT-LC (30% UT-C).  The UT-LC (aka UT7-LC) is slightly
denser than LLK.  Additionally MIS EZ-W is about 80% of LK.  The MIS amber
base is what one uses to make other densities.

I have the URLs for most of these inks at page 2 of
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/4000-6K-Plus.pdf .

The amber base is at
http://www.inksupply.com/searchresults.cfm?q=amber+base&x=11&y=3 .   I
don't recommend using the generic base for these, as the base contains the
binder then need to stick to glossy papers and films.

On page 4 you'll see how they partition (but on a very different paper than
you're aiming at).

Good luck with the project.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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Thanks for your input.

David



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 From: Paul Roark <roark.paul@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups..com 
Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Inkset for digital negatives
 

  
cheesecraft@... <cheesecraft@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I see that Epson Artisan 1430 printers are very reasonable with the cash
> rebate. They have 6 carts so could presumably run on the Piezography
> methodology 3 inkset. But since they are not supported with curves and you
> would be on your own as far as profiles go, I wonder if anyone could
> recommend another 3rd party inkset that could be diluted down to make
> custom ink densities for making smooth dither free digital negatives with
> pretty standard density?
>

MIS glossy carbons dilute easily to any density you want.  They have PK (K4
is modern and lower load, MP is the older higher load PK), LK, LLK -- the
standards.  They also have UT-C (between PK and LK, originally aimed at 30%
MK density) and UT-LC (30% UT-C).  The UT-LC (aka UT7-LC) is slightly
denser than LLK.  Additionally MIS EZ-W is about 80% of LK.  The MIS amber
base is what one uses to make other densities.

I have the URLs for most of these inks at page 2 of
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/4000-6K-Plus.pdf .

The amber base is at
http://www.inksupply.com/searchresults.cfm?q=amber+base&x=11&y=3 .   I
don't recommend using the generic base for these, as the base contains the
binder then need to stick to glossy papers and films.

On page 4 you'll see how they partition (but on a very different paper than
you're aiming at).

Good luck with the project.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

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On the 1400, which I believe is a very close cousin of the 1400, I use MIS dyebase inks for digital negatives. It has the advantage that the results adhere very well to transparency stock, the negatives I make through QTR are very clean and dither-free, and I can produce normal color images as well. However, you won't get good monochrome prints (as with Paul's carbon methods). I switched from an Eboni inkset after finding that my negatives were too fragile. 

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "cheesecraft@..." <cheesecraft@...> wrote:

>
> I see that Epson Artisan 1430 printers are very reasonable with the cash rebate. They have 6 carts so could presumably run on the Piezography methodology 3 inkset. But since they are not supported with curves and you would be on your own as far as profiles go, I wonder if anyone could recommend another 3rd party inkset that could be diluted down to make custom ink densities for making smooth dither free digital negatives with pretty standard density?
>

I concur that dyes are excellent in terms of quality.  I keep a 1400 with
dyes in it for the best glossy cards and brochures.  In my case I use the
Claria/Noritsu dyes, but for negatives, I'm sure the MIS dyes are just as
good.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:45 AM, ebenostby <efo@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> On the 1400, which I believe is a very close cousin of the 1400, I use MIS
> dyebase inks for digital negatives. It has the advantage that the results
> adhere very well to transparency stock, the negatives I make through QTR
> are very clean and dither-free, and I can produce normal color images as
> well. However, you won't get good monochrome prints (as with Paul's carbon
> methods). I switched from an Eboni inkset after finding that my negatives
> were too fragile.
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "cheesecraft@..." <cheesecraft@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I see that Epson Artisan 1430 printers are very reasonable with the cash
> rebate. They have 6 carts so could presumably run on the Piezography
> methodology 3 inkset. But since they are not supported with curves and you
> would be on your own as far as profiles go, I wonder if anyone could
> recommend another 3rd party inkset that could be diluted down to make
> custom ink densities for making smooth dither free digital negatives with
> pretty standard density?
> >
>
>  
>


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I like the dye idea, will see what happens.

Thanks
David



________________________________

 From: Paul Roark <roark.paul@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Inkset for digital negatives
 

  
I concur that dyes are excellent in terms of quality.  I keep a 1400 with
dyes in it for the best glossy cards and brochures.  In my case I use the
Claria/Noritsu dyes, but for negatives, I'm sure the MIS dyes are just as
good.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:45 AM, ebenostby <efo@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> On the 1400, which I believe is a very close cousin of the 1400, I use MIS
> dyebase inks for digital negatives. It has the advantage that the results
> adhere very well to transparency stock, the negatives I make through QTR
> are very clean and dither-free, and I can produce normal color images as
> well. However, you won't get good monochrome prints (as with Paul's carbon
> methods). I switched from an Eboni inkset after finding that my negatives
> were too fragile.
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "cheesecraft@..." <cheesecraft@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I see that Epson Artisan 1430 printers are very reasonable with the cash
> rebate. They have 6 carts so could presumably run on the Piezography
> methodology 3 inkset. But since they are not supported with curves and you
> would be on your own as far as profiles go, I wonder if anyone could
> recommend another 3rd party inkset that could be diluted down to make
> custom ink densities for making smooth dither free digital negatives with
> pretty standard density?
> >
>
> 
>

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