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Using Print Tool with Aperture for Digital Negatives

Using Print Tool with Aperture for Digital Negatives

2012-12-01 by Tim

Hi All,

I took a wonderful carbon printing workshop at the George Eastman House with Mark Osterman and got hooked into the fun of alternative processes. The upshot is that I am gearing up to make carbon prints in my studio in the near future. However, I need to be able to make digital negatives first. It is the only piece of the puzzle remaining to accomplish my goal.

I pretty much use Aperture exclusively for my image manipulation (with Nik plug-ins) and image file management. PhotoShop has become too laborious and costly to keep up with their update demands. Nonetheless, I do use Photoshop to print because it has a better print engine than Aperture. I do create custom profiles with my Datacolor Spyder 3 Print SR.

I plan on adopting the QTR Print Tool for all of my color Epson 3800 inkjet printing. Are there any caveats that I need to know about for color printing using QTR Print Tool?

On a final note; and more importantly, can anyone point me towards a method in which I can create my own custom profiles using the QTR Print Tool to eventually produce digital negatives?

Thank you,

Tim Burak
Pittsburgh, PA
PghArtist.com

Re: Using Print Tool with Aperture for Digital Negatives

2012-12-02 by SandyK

Tim,

You can use the regular tools provided with QTR to creative profiles for printing digital negatives. You can find an excellent primer on using QTR to make digital negatives for alternative printing at Clay Harmon's website.

http://www.clayharmon.com/techne/?page_id=2

Ron Reeder also has a book on making digital negatives. http://www.ronreeder.com/a-new-book-on-qtr

On the carbon yahoo forum (Files section) you can download a profile (text file) that I created and used with the Epson 3800 for printing carbon. To use you would drop this file into the profile section of the Epson Quad3800, then run the Install command. The program then installs a quad file that you can print either through Photoshop and other programs, including the QTR Print Tool. 

Sandy







--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <tim@...> wrote:
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> Hi All,
> 
> I took a wonderful carbon printing workshop at the George Eastman House with Mark Osterman and got hooked into the fun of alternative processes. The upshot is that I am gearing up to make carbon prints in my studio in the near future. However, I need to be able to make digital negatives first. It is the only piece of the puzzle remaining to accomplish my goal.
> 
> I pretty much use Aperture exclusively for my image manipulation (with Nik plug-ins) and image file management. PhotoShop has become too laborious and costly to keep up with their update demands. Nonetheless, I do use Photoshop to print because it has a better print engine than Aperture. I do create custom profiles with my Datacolor Spyder 3 Print SR.
> 
> I plan on adopting the QTR Print Tool for all of my color Epson 3800 inkjet printing. Are there any caveats that I need to know about for color printing using QTR Print Tool?
> 
> On a final note; and more importantly, can anyone point me towards a method in which I can create my own custom profiles using the QTR Print Tool to eventually produce digital negatives?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Tim Burak
> Pittsburgh, PA
> PghArtist.com
>

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Using Print Tool with Aperture for Digital Negatives

2012-12-02 by 228044881 228044881

One of the fastest ways to learn how to make your own digital negatives is with Salt prints. Because it is a printing out process and does not require any developing for the image to be visible, you can expose a test wedge, judge correct exposure visually in a split back printing frame, scan the unprocessed print, linearise using Ron Reeders instructions for QTR, print another negative to test your curve and repeat the process, all very quickly. (I have just done exactly that in an afternoon) If you want a print to be permanent then you need to overexpose slightly because it will fade in processing, but the basic curve can be linearised without any processing. One of the advantages of this indirect approach is that the resulting negative will pretty much be in the ball park for a carbon print with medium to high contrast tissue. Learning how to make carbons and digital negatives together is a uphill battle without some experienced input, I know that from
 my own experience.

David



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Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Using Print Tool with Aperture for Digital Negatives
 

  
Tim,

You can use the regular tools provided with QTR to creative profiles for printing digital negatives. You can find an excellent primer on using QTR to make digital negatives for alternative printing at Clay Harmon's website..

http://www.clayharmon.com/techne/?page_id=2

Ron Reeder also has a book on making digital negatives. http://www.ronreeder.com/a-new-book-on-qtr

On the carbon yahoo forum (Files section) you can download a profile (text file) that I created and used with the Epson 3800 for printing carbon. To use you would drop this file into the profile section of the Epson Quad3800, then run the Install command. The program then installs a quad file that you can print either through Photoshop and other programs, including the QTR Print Tool. 

Sandy

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <tim@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> 
> I took a wonderful carbon printing workshop at the George Eastman House with Mark Osterman and got hooked into the fun of alternative processes. The upshot is that I am gearing up to make carbon prints in my studio in the near future. However, I need to be able to make digital negatives first. It is the only piece of the puzzle remaining to accomplish my goal.
> 
> I pretty much use Aperture exclusively for my image manipulation (with Nik plug-ins) and image file management. PhotoShop has become too laborious and costly to keep up with their update demands. Nonetheless, I do use Photoshop to print because it has a better print engine than Aperture. I do create custom profiles with my Datacolor Spyder 3 Print SR.
> 
> I plan on adopting the QTR Print Tool for all of my color Epson 3800 inkjet printing. Are there any caveats that I need to know about for color printing using QTR Print Tool?
> 
> On a final note; and more importantly, can anyone point me towards a method in which I can create my own custom profiles using the QTR Print Tool to eventually produce digital negatives?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Tim Burak
> Pittsburgh, PA
> PghArtist.com
>


 

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Re: Using Print Tool with Aperture for Digital Negatives

2012-12-03 by Don

The fastest way I've found to learn how to build digital negatives is to make contact prints on silver gelatin paper. And one can also use RC inkjet paper for the negative media, less expensive than OHP for learning ...

Don Bryant

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@...> wrote:
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> One of the fastest ways to learn how to make your own digital negatives is with Salt prints.

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Using Print Tool with Aperture for Digital Negatives

2012-12-03 by 228044881 228044881

Different density range to carbon printing so the experience gained making silver gelatin printing is not directly transferrable. Making a high contrast digital negative is very different to making a low contrast digital negative. A negative that gives a good density as a salt print will be easy to print in carbon. Carbon is a UV sensitive process like salt prints, silver is not. This may not matter if you are using a monochrome inkset but it is very important if you are printing with colour inks.


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Sent: Monday, 3 December 2012 3:40 PM
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Using Print Tool with Aperture for Digital Negatives
 

  
The fastest way I've found to learn how to build digital negatives is to make contact prints on silver gelatin paper. And one can also use RC inkjet paper for the negative media, less expensive than OHP for learning ....

Don Bryant

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, 228044881 228044881 <cheesecraft@...> wrote:
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> One of the fastest ways to learn how to make your own digital negatives is with Salt prints. 


 

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