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print quality change after PS CC upgrade

print quality change after PS CC upgrade

2014-09-08 by tyler@...

Seems my friends don't like the forums. they just call me!! Since I don't know, I ask here! A friend has been printing with a 4800 and PS 3, on QTR for years, quite experienced.
Since doing the CC upgrade, prints on the same paper, same settings, all that stuff, are a hair less sharp, and a but "grainier". Prints were made from the same images to make sure. They did extensive testing to prove the difference, and insist they are on the correct side of the paper (my suspicion). Nozzle checks, all that.
This makes no sense to me, has anyone seen this kind of problem, or know of anything that could cause it?
Thanks,
Tyler


Re: [QuadtoneRIP] print quality change after PS CC upgrade

2014-09-08 by Mark Savoia

So they went from ;Photoshop 3 to which version of CC? That is a big jump. Also, doesn’t the version of Photoshop not really matter to QTR?

Mark

On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:12 PM, tyler@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Seems my friends don't like the forums. they just call me!! Since I don't know, I ask here! A friend has been printing with a 4800 and PS 3, on QTR for years, quite experienced.
Since doing the CC upgrade, prints on the same paper, same settings, all that stuff, are a hair less sharp, and a but "grainier". Prints were made from the same images to make sure. They did extensive testing to prove the difference, and insist they are on the correct side of the paper (my suspicion). Nozzle checks, all that.
This makes no sense to me, has anyone seen this kind of problem, or know of anything that could cause it?
Thanks,
Tyler


Re: [QuadtoneRIP] print quality change after PS CC upgrade

2014-09-08 by tyler@...

well of course PS3 worked perfectly, in every way, but eventually they had to change, it seems impossible to stand still. Whatever is the most recent CC version is what they have.
I honestly have no idea about PS versions and QTR, but I can't imagine it would make a difference. Anyway, this is why I'm asking here.. you never know, someone may have experienced the problem

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] print quality change after PS CC upgrade

2014-09-08 by Mark Savoia

Could be something as silly as a “color space” mismatch from the old version to the new. Like Dot Gain +20% vs Gamma 2.2

Mark


On Sep 8, 2014, at 3:21 PM, tyler@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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well of course PS3 worked perfectly, in every way, but eventually they had to change, it seems impossible to stand still. Whatever is the most recent CC version is what they have.
I honestly have no idea about PS versions and QTR, but I can't imagine it would make a difference. Anyway, this is why I'm asking here.. you never know, someone may have experienced the problem

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Re: [QuadtoneRIP] print quality change after PS CC upgrade

2014-09-09 by Roy Harrington

Hi Tyler,

CS3 was the last of the photoshops where the color management worked properly for grayscale printing.
With CC there will be a CM conversion that you can't prevent. But this really isn't a print quality issue --
the tones may be slightly different though. I'd recommend they try my new Print-Tool program that gets
things back to more CS3-like behavior.
The other thing I've seen is that if you carefully tailor output to exact 360 or 720ppi image file resolution
that can backfire. With all the fractional coordinates its possible to mistakingly get say 720.1 pixels and
therefore more interpolation artifacts. (mostly this is with exact graphics rather than photos).

And of course there's always the possibility that something else is different and they are not aware
of that. There are too many variables and settings to know for sure.
I'd be interested if they can repeatedly show a difference with a simple specific example.

Roy

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On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:12 AM, tyler@tylerboley.com [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Seems my friends don't like the forums. they just call me!! Since I don't know, I ask here! A friend has been printing with a 4800 and PS 3, on QTR for years, quite experienced.
Since doing the CC upgrade, prints on the same paper, same settings, all that stuff, are a hair less sharp, and a but "grainier". Prints were made from the same images to make sure. They did extensive testing to prove the difference, and insist they are on the correct side of the paper (my suspicion). Nozzle checks, all that.
This makes no sense to me, has anyone seen this kind of problem, or know of anything that could cause it?
Thanks,
Tyler







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Roy Harrington
roy@...
www.harrington.com

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] print quality change after PS CC upgrade

2014-09-09 by tyler@...

HI Roy, they tried to force matching colorsync behavior by using your LAB RGB profile, SInce SOMETHING will happen in CC, attempting to control that something seemed wise. I still suspect another issue, like perhaps the paper batch, it was a new batch. I don't see how graininess or sharpness is a color management issue, as you note. Will make note of your resolution comments, and will report back if the issue remains consistant without a solution.
T

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] print quality change after PS CC upgrade

2014-09-09 by tyler@...

I should add, the only thing that would explain this problem, if it was due to the PS change, is something basic about the way per channel data is being handed off to the printer. SInce there are hidden things now going on with data with regard to color management beyond our control, and grayscale vs RGB handling has suspiciously been changed, it seems anything is possible. My assumption though, is that if there are no other reported problems here resulting from a CC upgrade, I guess that is unlikely. But always worth asking.

Things worked so well in CS3, feels so good paying more for things that work less well... but that's another conversation, probably in a bar.

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