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1430 for K6

1430 for K6

2015-03-16 by jeff.grant@...

I'm thinking of getting a 1430 for K6 printing. I haven't been able to find out how well it handles HPR or Canson Rag. Are there any issues? I know that the smaller printers have their limitations on heavier papers.


As far as I know, the only obvious drawback is the margin needed to avoid banding. There seems to be nothing between the 1430 and the 2000 which is a difference of over $600. It doesn't look like the 2000 has a lot more to offer as a K6 printer.

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] 1430 for K6

2015-03-16 by Paul Roark

Assuming its the same as the 1400, I've fed both papers through it just fine with just a little manual assist in feeding.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 10:53 PM, jeff.grant@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm thinking of getting a 1430 for K6 printing. I haven't been able to find out how well it handles HPR or Canson Rag. Are there any issues? I know that the smaller printers have their limitations on heavier papers.


As far as I know, the only obvious drawback is the margin needed to avoid banding. There seems to be nothing between the 1430 and the 2000 which is a difference of over $600. It doesn't look like the 2000 has a lot more to offer as a K6 printer.


RE: [QuadtoneRIP] 1430 for K6

2015-03-16 by Elliot Puritz

Has the 1430 printer been discontinued by Epson?

 

I read that the Epson 2800, 3000, and perhaps the 3880 have been discontinued.  I wonder what the Epson printer "line" will look like in the future.

 

Elliot
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I'm thinking of getting a 1430 for K6 printing. I haven't been able to find out how well it handles HPR  or Canson Rag. Are there any issues? I know that the smaller printers have their limitations on heavier papers.

 

As far as I know, the only obvious drawback is the margin needed to avoid banding. There seems to be nothing between the 1430 and the 2000 which is a difference of over $600. It doesn't look like the 2000 has a lot more to offer as a K6 printer.

RE: [QuadtoneRIP] 1430 for K6

2015-03-16 by jeff.grant@...

The 1430 is still available in Australia, but we are a Third World country for Epson. The 1430 is the only printer that I can get that doesn't have ink lines. I want to be able to store it with flush carts and then start again at little expense. My recent experience has taught me to go for a new printer with refillables.

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] 1430 for K6

2015-03-16 by Jacques Caron

Still available in Canada too!

Le 2015-03-16 à 16:37, "jeff.grant@... [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :



The 1430 is still available in Australia, but we are a Third World country for Epson. The 1430 is the only printer that I can get that doesn't have ink lines. I want to be able to store it with flush carts and then start again at little expense. My recent experience has taught me to go for a new printer with refillables.


Jacques Caron

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] 1430 for K6

2015-03-16 by Allan Greenier

I just bought a 1430 at Staples here in the USA.



On Mar 16, 2015, at 4:37 PM, jeff.grant@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The 1430 is still available in Australia, but we are a Third World country for Epson. The 1430 is the only printer that I can get that doesn't have ink lines. I want to be able to store it with flush carts and then start again at little expense. My recent experience has taught me to go for a new printer with refillables.


RE: [QuadtoneRIP] 1430 for K6

2015-03-16 by Elliot Puritz

Well, I see it is still available at B&H. Hopefully, the printer will continue to be available.

However, the 2880, 3000, and apparently now the 3880 will no longer be manufactured.

Elliot

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Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] 1430 for K6

Still available in Canada too!

Le 2015-03-16 à 16:37, "jeff.grant@... [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :





The 1430 is still available in Australia, but we are a Third World country for Epson. The 1430 is the only printer that I can get that doesn't have ink lines. I want to be able to store it with flush carts and then start again at little expense. My recent experience has taught me to go for a new printer with refillables.

Jacques Caron

RE: [QuadtoneRIP] 1430 for K6

2015-04-01 by jeff.grant@...

Well, I got the 1430 but couldn't get at it for a couple of weeks. Apparently, the models of the carts are different in Oz to the US. The US is a 79 while we get an 81. The carts that I bought locally are a disaster. I could not get a clean nozzle check on one set using K6, and they dumped ink into me new printer. The other set I fillled with flush which then proceeded to leak everywhere.

I'm now wondering how different the US and Australian carts can be. If it's only the chip, I can harvest the junk carts that I have and buy some IJM ones and swap.

RE: [QuadtoneRIP] 1430 for K6

2015-04-02 by m venz

Hi,
I got a 1430 in NZ which I have successfully used Mis EB6 & UT14 inks. The MIS cartridges I initially bought didn't work as they were the 79 series so I bought empty cartridges off eBay Australia. I think the vendor was cube 1113 (or similar).
Mike.

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From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 16:28:35 -0700
Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] 1430 for K6

Well, I got the 1430 but couldn't get at it for a couple of weeks. Apparently, the models of the carts are different in Oz to the US. The US is a 79 while we get an 81. The carts that I bought locally are a disaster. I could not get a clean nozzle check on one set using K6, and they dumped ink into me new printer. The other set I fillled with flush which then proceeded to leak everywhere.

I'm now wondering how different the US and Australian carts can be. If it's only the chip, I can harvest the junk carts that I have and buy some IJM ones and swap.

RE: [QuadtoneRIP] 1430 for K6

2015-04-02 by jeff.grant@...

Thanks Mike, I've found him. I'm going to have another shot at the carts that I have after a couple go emails with the supplier. If that fails, I'll try your guy. It's such a lottery with these things.

Gamma 2.2

2015-04-02 by ReD Ognita

Hi,
I am using K3 ink with QTR on a 3880. Should I still convert my images into Gamma 2.2? I have read for conversion is needed for K7 inks. Do I need to do the same for an optimal print?
Also, regarding linearization. I have made a custom curve using a RAW curve and after all steps my custom curve now shows a linear response. But when you open it, it still shows a "Linearize" line.How many times can you linearize a curve? 


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Re: 1430 for K6

2015-04-02 by richard@...

In my book I make a big point of defining "qtr profiles" and "qtr curves" in the way they are used in discussing the calibration process. They really are different things, and new users are often confused when they see the terms being used interchangeably—it is like trying to communicate in two different languages. Here couple of things that I hope clarify it.

The "curves" are only in the .quad file, which are represented by sets of individual integers for each of the steps in the tonal scale. The curves are the result of the install script processing the information in the ink descriptor file (the profile).

The install script doesn't change and/or save anything in ink descriptor file. It looks to see if there is an existing quad file in the library/printers/qtr/profile/quadxxxx folder (or the equivalent on a PC). If a quad file with that name does not exist, it builds a new quad file and creates a set of curves based on the instructions in the qdif file. If there is an existing quad file of the same name, it rewrites the set of curves based on the instructions in the qdif file. Those inputs in the qdif files might be exactly the same every time, but since the script doesn't "know" if anything is different in the qdif file it uses the LINEARIZE=" " line every time it is run. If you duplicate the linearized qdif file and delete the linearize line re-save it and compare the resulting .quad file you'll see the difference. This is where the Drop-Quad-Profile comes in handy (if I could ever get it to work—I always just run the install script in the profiles folder)

If you are on a Mac and have installed final version of the linearized qdif file you can remove it from the profiles folder in the QuadToneRip applications folder. If you remove the qdif file from the profiles folder it won't rebuild the quad file every time the install script is run, but you will still be able to print with that set of quad curves. It isn't important, but it might save a few seconds each time you run it. You can remove all the profiles for papers that you are not going to use (and remove the .quad files from their respective folders too). That just helps keep the print dialog boxes a little less cluttered and less searching for the curves you really want to use.

Hope that helps,

Richard Boutwell



Re: Gamma 2.2

2015-04-03 by brian_downunda@...

Re the conversion part of the question. There are several possible workflows, and each of them has advantages and disadvantages, and hence their admirers and detractors.

It's true that the orthodox theology of K7 printing is that you convert your image to GG2.2 and sent it to QTR in GG2.2 to print. The problem with this approach is that you may or may not get a good screen-to-print match. It's a better match for even or light-tone images than it is for dark images. The orthodox way of dealing with this is to create an ICC profile for your K7 curve / printer / paper / inkset combination and soft-proof the image on the screen with the preserve numbers option enabled in Photoshop softproofing. Not everyone finds this a convenient workflow, especially if the image needs re-editing
because the soft-proof is too light.

The alternative worklflow is to convert the image to the ICC profile for printing. Soft-proofing is then done the conventional way. This will give a better screen-to-print match, but at the cost of compressing the shadows. The argument for conversion is that it is "perceptually linear", but even Roy Harrington in a recent post in this forum conceded that it does risk losing shadow detail because of the way that it compresses the shadows. The K7 GG2.2 workflow on the other hand is intended to preserve shadow detail.

So there's a choice - work in GG2.2 and perhaps need to re-edit to put more weight back into the shadows, or convert to the ICC profile and instead re-edit to recover some of the lost shadow detail. I decide on an image-by-image basis.

It's been a while since I printed K3 using QTR, but my view is that the workflow options and the advantages and disadvantages are essentially the same, because what is driving them is QTR and its ICC creation tools, rather than the inksets per se.

B.


---In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, <ognita@...> wrote :

Hi,

I am using K3 ink with QTR on a 3880. Should I still convert my images into Gamma 2.2?
I have read for conversion is needed for K7 inks. Do I need to do the same for an optimal print?


Thanks!
ReD

Re: 1430 for K6

2015-04-05 by paulmwhiting@...

I had hoped my message would have followed the messages on the availability of the 1430, didn't mean to make this look like thread drift! Sorry....

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: 1430 for K6

2015-04-05 by Paulo Baptista




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I had hoped my message would have followed the messages on the availability of the 1430, didn't mean to make this look like thread drift! Sorry....

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: 1430 for K6

2015-04-20 by jeff.grant@...

My Australian 1430 K6 experiment is at an end. So far, I have been through 4 sets of carts. Two have been from Inkbank in Canberra, one came from HK as recommended by Michael Venz, and the other was a rechipped set of IJM 2880 carts. Each set had at least one cart that leaked, and I could not get a consistent nozzle check even using Piezoflush. I gave up this morning after running a nozzle check and finding LC bad. I then did a purge pattern which left LC bad still so took the carts out to see if they were leaking. LC had leaked, and the flush ran out of the LM cart as I lifted it out.

Of course, it works perfectly when I put the Epson carts back in. I don't know whether I have just got a bad printer or whether Epson have changed something but I've had enough.

I really wanted a K6 printer that I could easily and cheaply hibernate but that does't seem possible.

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.