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QTR and the Epson driver

QTR and the Epson driver

2015-06-01 by jeff.grant@...

I am having an issue with K7 inks and Epson Exhibition fibre. It has been suggested by Jon Cone that the Epson driver may be at fault. My understanding is that QTR completely replaces the Epson driver and communicates directly with the printing system.


Can I get a confirmation please?

Re: QTR and the Epson driver

2015-06-01 by richard@...

That is correct. The Epson Driver is bypassed when printing with QTR.. What sort of problems are you having and with what printer? I can't recall if on Mac or PC there, but what curves are you using for the gloss printing on the Epson Exhibition Fiber (and what gloss overprint settings are you using)?

Maybe we can sort out where the monkey spanner is here...

Richard Boutwell

Re: QTR and the Epson driver

2015-06-01 by sanking@...



Did not Roy's recent message indicate that micro-banding is caused by control from the Epson driver?

With the R3000 I can print to within 1/4" of the top and bottom of the page, with no banding. When I print the same file with QTR I have to set the top and bottom to about .75" or I get banding in this area.

Sandy

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: QTR and the Epson driver

2015-06-01 by Paul Roark

The Epson driver, at least with some of the desktop units, uses a different and quite effective way of hiding the paper transport problems that occur there and cause microbanding where both of the rollers are not engaged.

I've also been able to get QTR to do a better job of hiding the microbanding at the ends by having more ink overlaps in the profile, thus more inks firing to hide the problems.

FWIW,

Paul
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On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:20 PM, sanking@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Did not Roy's recent message indicate that micro-banding is caused by control from the Epson driver?

With the R3000 I can print to within 1/4" of the top and bottom of the page, with no banding. When I print the same file with QTR I have to set the top and bottom to about .75" or I get banding in this area.

Sandy


Re: QTR and the Epson driver

2015-06-01 by jeff.grant@...

Richard,

I tried out Epson Exhibition Fibre with K7 inks using the standard IJM curves. The short story is that I get serious mottling from 95%K. Brian then tried it out on his 1900 and gets a similar, but not quite as bad, result. If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

Here's my summary at the end of the thread:
1. Brian prints on a 1900, I use a 3880
2. Brian uses SE inks. I use Neutral
3. Brian lives in a low humidity environment. I live in a high humidity one
4. Brian uses a PC. I use a Mac
5. We both get unacceptable results with this paper.



Epson Exhibition Fibre 100% flat

Re: QTR and the Epson driver

2015-06-01 by jeff.grant@...

Sandy and Paul,

I am talking about a different problem with K7 inks, not banding. My problem is with EEF and K7.

Re: QTR and the Epson driver

2015-06-03 by richard@...

I might have a few sheets left of the EEF that I will try to check out tomorrow or later this week—I am trying to wrap up something big on my site and make a few long overdue responses on here too.

If you don't run the gloss optimizer over it you really can't tell what you are getting. You might even need to pump more (or less) of it onto the paper to get the right results. Another option is to do a couple coats of Hahnemuhle protective spray instead of the gloss overprint. I've found that has done a better job and produces a better feeling print than the GO. You do need to let it dry overnight or blow dry it for ~5 minutes before over-printing/spraying. I can't log into the IJM forum right now to see the attachments but will try too look into it more tomorrow.

I all but stopped using gloss/PK papers with Peizography—not that it wasn't good (with the selenium inks), but I have been using the Cone Carbon inks for the past several months and I don't like how brown they are with Canson Platine. When it works, it works beautifully, but I've never seemed to be able to make the shipped piezography profiles work for me or my printers. I've chalked it up to aging or out of spec printers, but it seems more and more people are having similar issues these days (or maybe the issues are just becoming more apparent).

Are you able to try a P2 gloss profile with that paper and see if that has similar problems? How are other gloss papers responding?

Richard Boutwell

Re: QTR and the Epson driver

2015-06-03 by jeff.grant@...

I don't want to start posting all the junk from the IJM thread here, but you will find that it's a lot more than a GO issue. I tried the supplied curve as well as a P2 one that Dana gave me along the way. I can print happily with IGFS and HPR Baryta, not that I'm doing much gloss anyway. It's only the EEF that behaves this way.

I'm happy for you to look at it, and grateful but you really need to read the thread first. Jon Cone has given up, and so have I. I would like to use Jon's paper but getting it to Australia is prohibitive.

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