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Print size mismatch

Print size mismatch

2019-04-25 by Larry Gale


I reinstalled Quadtone RIP 2.7.0.0 on a newish Windows 10 laptop.� When I try to print on my Epson 2200, even though I've specified 13x19 as the paper size, and Scaled the image "To Fit", which indicates on screen the expected dimensions, when the print emerges, the actual image is 8 1/2 by 11 inches, centered on the 13x19 inch paper.

Any idea why I'm seeing the disconnect between indicated paper size and what actually comes out?� This is not the behavior I was seeing on my last system, which was still Windows 7.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Larry Gale
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Re: Print size mismatch

  
2019-04-30 by lbgale@...

  
Additional information.  When I'm in Lightroom, trying to print to the Epson 2200, when I click the "ICM" button, to tell it "No color management", the button fails to highlight, and Lightroom crashes.  So I suspect the Epson driver for the 2200 printer under Windows 10 is the culprit.

May be time to start looking for a more current (and currently supported) printer.

Maybe NOT an Epson this time...



      

  
Re: Print size mismatch

  
2019-05-05 by brian_downunda@...

  
Can I make a few observations?

1.  The 2200 is an old printer.  I bought mine in 2002.  It went to the e-waste probably around five years ago.  If yours is still working then you are to be congratulated.

2.  Drivers for older hardware in newer OS can be a problem.  This was particularly true for Win 7, when Microsoft moved to digitally signed drivers, and IIRC a driver validation process.  It costs money to reissue legacy hardware drivers for new OS, and I assume companies have to rule a line somewhere.  I agree it's a pain.

3.  Nonetheless if you search you may well find that there are workarounds in Windows 10, as there was for 7.  Unlike Mac OS X where instances of orphaned hardware and software are more common.  E.g. I have older colour management hardware and software that works in Win 7 & 10 but haven't in OS X for a long time.

4.  One commonly used solution, if you can't find another one, is to have an older PC with W7 installed just for printing. You would leave it disconnected from the internet, particularly after W7 reaches EoL next Jan.  This is a commonly used approach in the Mac world for those who want to use older h/w & s/w, or who just want a stable production environment unaffected by continual updates.

5.  If you want to print B&W with QTR then you'll need an Epson printer.




---In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, <lbgale@...> wrote :

Additional information.  When I'm in Lightroom, trying to print to the Epson 2200, when I click the "ICM" button, to tell it "No color management", the button fails to highlight, and Lightroom crashes.  So I suspect the Epson driver for the 2200 printer under Windows 10 is the culprit.

May be time to start looking for a more current (and currently supported) printer.

Maybe NOT an Epson this time...



      

  
RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Print size mismatch

  
2019-05-06 by Elliot Puritz

  
As older Epson printers fail one method to use Piezography in the future will be to modify the Epson printer P800 so that one can continue to use QTR and the Cone inks.  The obvious problem is that modifying the P800 is quite expensive and moreover the warranty is immediately voided.

 

Such difficulties make me ask if some have compared black and white prints made using the Image Print “Black” RIP program by Colorbyte software to those rendered with the Jon’s inks using QTR.  

 

Elliot
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Can I make a few observations?

 

1.  The 2200 is an old printer.  I bought mine in 2002.  It went to the e-waste probably around five years ago.  If yours is still working then you are to be congratulated.

 

2.  Drivers for older hardware in newer OS can be a problem.  This was particularly true for Win 7, when Microsoft moved to digitally signed drivers, and IIRC a driver validation process.  It costs money to reissue legacy hardware drivers for new OS, and I assume companies have to rule a line somewhere.  I agree it's a pain.

 

3.  Nonetheless if you search you may well find that there are workarounds in Windows 10, as there was for 7.  Unlike Mac OS X where instances of orphaned hardware and software are more common.  E.g. I have older colour management hardware and software that works in Win 7 & 10 but haven't in OS X for a long time.

 

4.  One commonly used solution, if you can't find another one, is to have an older PC with W7 installed just for printing. You would leave it disconnected from the internet, particularly after W7 reaches EoL next Jan.  This is a commonly used approach in the Mac world for those who want to use older h/w & s/w, or who just want a stable production environment unaffected by continual updates.

 

5.  If you want to print B&W with QTR then you'll need an Epson printer.

 

 



---In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, <lbgale@...> wrote :

Additional information.  When I'm in Lightroom, trying to print to the Epson 2200, when I click the "ICM" button, to tell it "No color management", the button fails to highlight, and Lightroom crashes.  So I suspect the Epson driver for the 2200 printer under Windows 10 is the culprit.

 

May be time to start looking for a more current (and currently supported) printer.

 

Maybe NOT an Epson this time...





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RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Print size mismatch

  
2019-05-06 by brian_downunda@...

  
Another way would be to get a P400, which doesn't need modification for refillable cartridges.  It's only 13", but so was the 2200.  Or an R1430, if you only print on matte.

However it's not clear that the OP wants to use a third party inkset.  The comment about printing from LR suggests that he is using OEM inks and if so would be using one of the QTR-UC curves for B&W.  In which case there are a range of recent Epsons that he could use with QTR, including a unmodified P800.  I don't think that his legacy driver problems, if that is the problem, are a reason to avoid Epson.
 


---In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, <drpuritz@...> wrote :

As older Epson printers fail one method to use Piezography in the future will be to modify the Epson printer P800 so that one can continue to use QTR and the Cone inks.  The obvious problem is that modifying the P800 is quite expensive and moreover the warranty is immediately voided.







      

  
RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Print size mismatch

  
2019-05-07 by Larry Gale

  
You're correct, I wasn't really considering 3rd party inksets.� I think the 2200 driver for Windows 10 is the real source of my problems, and I doubt Epson has any real incentive to fix the problems I see, specifically crashing Lightroom when trying to choose ICM/No color management.

I mentioned considering options other than Epson for a new printer primarily because I've always been frustrated by how often I have to run repeated head cleaning processes in order to get good prints on the Epson, and I wondered if perhaps Canon were any better in that regard.� But I've always been happy with the print quality from Epson.

I'm not sure if QuadtoneRIP is still necessary with current generation printers that have more black inks and better monochrome printing drivers.� Can anybody with a newer printer talk about their experiences and the necessity of a 3rd party RIP?

Thanks for all of the information!

Larry Gale
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Another way would be to get a P400, which doesn't need modification for refillable cartridges.  It's only 13", but so was the 2200.� Or an R1430, if you only print on matte.

However it's not clear that the OP wants to use a third party inkset.� The comment about printing from LR suggests that he is using OEM inks and if so would be using one of the QTR-UC curves for B&W.� In which case there are a range of recent Epsons that he could use with QTR, including a unmodified P800.� I don't think that his legacy driver problems, if that is the problem, are a reason to avoid Epson.
 


---In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

As older Epson printers fail one method to use Piezography in the future will be to modify the Epson printer P800 so that one can continue to use QTR and the Cone inks.  The obvious problem is that modifying the P800 is quite expensive and moreover the warranty is immediately voided.






    


















      

  
Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Print size mismatch

  
2019-05-30 by Minas Stratigos

  
I face paper size problems with Qrip, Windows 10 and P600 but mostly in landscape mode. It seems it works better when i only use portrait mode. 
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I reinstalled Quadtone RIP 2.7.0.0 on a newish Windows 10 laptop.  When I try to print on my Epson 2200, even though I've specified 13x19 as the paper size, and Scaled the image "To Fit", which indicates on screen the expected dimensions, when the print emerges, the actual image is 8 1/2 by 11 inches, centered on the 13x19 inch paper.

Any idea why I'm seeing the disconnect between indicated paper size and what actually comes out?  This is not the behavior I was seeing on my last system, which was still Windows 7.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Larry Gale







    

     

    
    








  










    

  



    
    
    
  

  
  
    

      
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