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i1 calibration process

2005-12-23 by fred_h67

Hi all,

I'm giving this process a try with QTR 2.3.4 on a Mac (printer is a
R2400 with UC inks).

Following the instructions in the Eye-One folder, I started to print
the 51 steps wedge. There were no particular instructions so I tried
to print without CMS and selected the quadtone calibration mode in the
settings...
IMHO this must be wrong cause I get a colour wedge, and the i1 reports
"too many errors" when reading the strips (I guess it expects a
greyscale one like I do).
So what printer settings should I use to print this wedge ? 

Thanks in advance - and please accept my apologies if this has been
discussed already, I didn't manage to find a similar topic in the
group though.

Fred

Re: i1 calibration process

2005-12-24 by joshhackney

Fred,

I assume if you are printing the 51 step wedge that you have already finished your ink 
limits and partitioning, or you are using a curve from someone else.

I'm not sure if you are trying to linearize your curve, or create an icc profile using QTR 
Create ICC.  If you are trying to linearize, make sure there is no linearization data at the 
bottom of the curve file - just delete the whole linearization line.  If you are trying to 
create an icc file, just proceed to the next step.  If you have no idea what I am talking 
about, try rereading the documentation.

Now, open the 51 step random target within PS, print it with "No color management" from 
within CS2, or "Same as Source" from older PS versions.  Within the QTR setup screen, do 
NOT select calibration - select the curve you have created (or downloaded).   

You can scan it right after printing, but I have found that you really need to allow the 
target to dry overnight to get the best results.  Within MeasureTool, select "51 step 
random", it will ask you to place the i1 on the calibration target, and after the calibration, 
the dialog will pop-up.  Select "strip with no gaps", and scan away.  Once you save the txt 
file, go to Finder.  Drag that text file and drop on "Drop-Linearize-Data.app" if you are 
trying to linearize, or drop it on "QTR-Create_ICC.app" if you are trying to create an icc 
file.  

Good luck!

Josh

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "fred_h67" <fensys@g...> wrote:
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>
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm giving this process a try with QTR 2.3.4 on a Mac (printer is a
> R2400 with UC inks).
> 
> Following the instructions in the Eye-One folder, I started to print
> the 51 steps wedge. There were no particular instructions so I tried
> to print without CMS and selected the quadtone calibration mode in the
> settings...
> IMHO this must be wrong cause I get a colour wedge, and the i1 reports
> "too many errors" when reading the strips (I guess it expects a
> greyscale one like I do).
> So what printer settings should I use to print this wedge ? 
> 
> Thanks in advance - and please accept my apologies if this has been
> discussed already, I didn't manage to find a similar topic in the
> group though.
> 
> Fred
>

Re: i1 calibration process

2005-12-27 by fensys

Josh,

Thanks a lot for your help and patience.
As you may have guessed I'm trying to linearize an already existing  
curve, following the method below (found in the Eye-one-readme file) :

"Linearize a QuadToneRIP Curve

The Linearization process is simply creating a correction curve using  
the above
data to straighten the L data graph. To use this feature, simply  
create the ink
description file, doing the partitioning. "

 > can I use an existing ink description file here, and simply delete  
the LINEARIZE line before I proceed ?
 > I only want to fine tune an existing curve for the R2400 and UC inks.

"The GRAY_HIGHLIGHT and
GRAY_SHADOW fields can be approximated at 4 and 8 respectively."

 > do i need to follow this advice if I'm working on an already  
existing file (where different values are filled) ?

"Make the
quad curve and print out the Step-21-gray stepwedge, and measure as  
above."

 > well... actually, how do I make the quad curve from the ink  
description file ? Drop-Quad-Profile ?
 > I guess I have to install the new quad curve before printing ? Run- 
Install-Curves is the way to go ?

"The last line has the linearization info. Triple-click on it, Copy  
the whole line and
Paste it to the bottom of the ink description file. Re-process the  
ink file with
Drop-Quad-Profile. "

 > and I should end up with a new linearized curve I have to install ?

sorry for the FWOB, I'm really confused, and christmas' excess don't  
seem to help me grab the whole thing.

best,
fred


Le 24 déc. 05 à 17:54, joshhackney a écrit :
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>
> Fred,
>
> I assume if you are printing the 51 step wedge that you have  
> already finished your ink
> limits and partitioning, or you are using a curve from someone else.
>
> I'm not sure if you are trying to linearize your curve, or create  
> an icc profile using QTR
> Create ICC.  If you are trying to linearize, make sure there is no  
> linearization data at the
> bottom of the curve file - just delete the whole linearization  
> line.  If you are trying to
> create an icc file, just proceed to the next step.  If you have no  
> idea what I am talking
> about, try rereading the documentation.
>
> Now, open the 51 step random target within PS, print it with "No  
> color management" from
> within CS2, or "Same as Source" from older PS versions.  Within the  
> QTR setup screen, do
> NOT select calibration - select the curve you have created (or  
> downloaded).
>
> You can scan it right after printing, but I have found that you  
> really need to allow the
> target to dry overnight to get the best results.  Within  
> MeasureTool, select "51 step
> random", it will ask you to place the i1 on the calibration target,  
> and after the calibration,
> the dialog will pop-up.  Select "strip with no gaps", and scan  
> away.  Once you save the txt
> file, go to Finder.  Drag that text file and drop on "Drop- 
> Linearize-Data.app" if you are
> trying to linearize, or drop it on "QTR-Create_ICC.app" if you are  
> trying to create an icc
> file.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Josh
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "fred_h67" <fensys@g...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm giving this process a try with QTR 2.3.4 on a Mac (printer is a
> > R2400 with UC inks).
> >
> > Following the instructions in the Eye-One folder, I started to print
> > the 51 steps wedge. There were no particular instructions so I tried
> > to print without CMS and selected the quadtone calibration mode  
> in the
> > settings...
> > IMHO this must be wrong cause I get a colour wedge, and the i1  
> reports
> > "too many errors" when reading the strips (I guess it expects a
> > greyscale one like I do).
> > So what printer settings should I use to print this wedge ?
> >
> > Thanks in advance - and please accept my apologies if this has been
> > discussed already, I didn't manage to find a similar topic in the
> > group though.
> >
> > Fred
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
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>
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>
>

Re: i1 calibration process

2005-12-28 by joshhackney

Fred,

I had a little difficulty picking your new questions out of your post.  If I missed one you can 
re-post.

1.  Yes, you can use an existing descriptor file and fine tune by linearizing.
2.  You don't have to change the GREY_HIGHLIGHT and GREY_SHADOW values.  Most of the 
sample curves that come with QTR have both values set to 6.  Whoever created that curve 
must have felt it warranted the change.  I don't think they have much effect if you linearize 
properly, but I personally don't fiddle with these values, so perhaps someone else can 
comment.
3.  I assume that you have installed QTR properly.  You will therefore have a folder for your 
printer inside of Curvedesign/CurveDropBox.  All the curves installed for your printer will 
be present in this folder in a .quad form, and this is the folder that QTR will look in to find 
the installed curves.  To add an additional curve to this folder, drop the descriptor file 
onto Drop-Quad_Profile.app.  This will create the .quad file, and place it in the 
CurveDropBox in the correct printer folder. 
4.  You will now have a curve that has been linearized for your printer.

If you want, you can take it one more step.  Print the step wedge again - no color 
management from within PS, and WITH this new linearized curve from within the QTR 
dialog box.  Let the target dry.  Scan it with the i1 and MeasureTool.  This time, drop the 
text file generated by Measure tool onto QTR-Create-ICC.app.  This will create an icc file 
that you can use within PS for soft proofing.  Also, from within PS print with preview, select 
"Let Photoshop determine colors" and then select this new icc file.  You'll get top notch 
results.

Good luck!

Best.

Josh

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, fensys <fensys@g...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Josh,
> 
> Thanks a lot for your help and patience.
> As you may have guessed I'm trying to linearize an already existing  
> curve, following the method below (found in the Eye-one-readme file) :
> 
> "Linearize a QuadToneRIP Curve
> 
> The Linearization process is simply creating a correction curve using  
> the above
> data to straighten the L data graph. To use this feature, simply  
> create the ink
> description file, doing the partitioning. "
> 
>  > can I use an existing ink description file here, and simply delete  
> the LINEARIZE line before I proceed ?
>  > I only want to fine tune an existing curve for the R2400 and UC inks.
> 
> "The GRAY_HIGHLIGHT and
> GRAY_SHADOW fields can be approximated at 4 and 8 respectively."
> 
>  > do i need to follow this advice if I'm working on an already  
> existing file (where different values are filled) ?
> 
> "Make the
> quad curve and print out the Step-21-gray stepwedge, and measure as  
> above."
> 
>  > well... actually, how do I make the quad curve from the ink  
> description file ? Drop-Quad-Profile ?
>  > I guess I have to install the new quad curve before printing ? Run- 
> Install-Curves is the way to go ?
> 
> "The last line has the linearization info. Triple-click on it, Copy  
> the whole line and
> Paste it to the bottom of the ink description file. Re-process the  
> ink file with
> Drop-Quad-Profile. "
> 
>  > and I should end up with a new linearized curve I have to install ?
> 
> sorry for the FWOB, I'm really confused, and christmas' excess don't  
> seem to help me grab the whole thing.
> 
> best,
> fred
> 
> 
> Le 24 déc. 05 à 17:54, joshhackney a écrit :
> 
> >
> > Fred,
> >
> > I assume if you are printing the 51 step wedge that you have  
> > already finished your ink
> > limits and partitioning, or you are using a curve from someone else.
> >
> > I'm not sure if you are trying to linearize your curve, or create  
> > an icc profile using QTR
> > Create ICC.  If you are trying to linearize, make sure there is no  
> > linearization data at the
> > bottom of the curve file - just delete the whole linearization  
> > line.  If you are trying to
> > create an icc file, just proceed to the next step.  If you have no  
> > idea what I am talking
> > about, try rereading the documentation.
> >
> > Now, open the 51 step random target within PS, print it with "No  
> > color management" from
> > within CS2, or "Same as Source" from older PS versions.  Within the  
> > QTR setup screen, do
> > NOT select calibration - select the curve you have created (or  
> > downloaded).
> >
> > You can scan it right after printing, but I have found that you  
> > really need to allow the
> > target to dry overnight to get the best results.  Within  
> > MeasureTool, select "51 step
> > random", it will ask you to place the i1 on the calibration target,  
> > and after the calibration,
> > the dialog will pop-up.  Select "strip with no gaps", and scan  
> > away.  Once you save the txt
> > file, go to Finder.  Drag that text file and drop on "Drop- 
> > Linearize-Data.app" if you are
> > trying to linearize, or drop it on "QTR-Create_ICC.app" if you are  
> > trying to create an icc
> > file.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "fred_h67" <fensys@g...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm giving this process a try with QTR 2.3.4 on a Mac (printer is a
> > > R2400 with UC inks).
> > >
> > > Following the instructions in the Eye-One folder, I started to print
> > > the 51 steps wedge. There were no particular instructions so I tried
> > > to print without CMS and selected the quadtone calibration mode  
> > in the
> > > settings...
> > > IMHO this must be wrong cause I get a colour wedge, and the i1  
> > reports
> > > "too many errors" when reading the strips (I guess it expects a
> > > greyscale one like I do).
> > > So what printer settings should I use to print this wedge ?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance - and please accept my apologies if this has been
> > > discussed already, I didn't manage to find a similar topic in the
> > > group though.
> > >
> > > Fred
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
> >
> >  Visit your group "QuadtoneRIP" on the web.
> >
> >  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >  QuadtoneRIP-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
> >
> >
>

Re: i1 calibration process

2005-12-28 by fensys

Josh,

Thanks to you I finally decided to follow the whole process today. I  
now have an excellent linearized warm curve for the standard UC inks  
on matte paper. Building the final ICC profile was my last step after  
reading your message, and it really came out great.
I'm now trying to create a cool curve, lots of reading ahead I  
guess... ;)

Thanks again for your time and help, much appreciated. And thanks to  
Roy for making available this great soft.
If I manage to build a decent cool curve I'll post it with the warm  
one in the files section, unless new ones have already been built for  
the next version of QTRip.

Best,
Fred

Le 28 déc. 05 à 19:21, joshhackney a écrit :
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>
> Fred,
>
> I had a little difficulty picking your new questions out of your  
> post.  If I missed one you can
> re-post.
>
> 1.  Yes, you can use an existing descriptor file and fine tune by  
> linearizing.
> 2.  You don't have to change the GREY_HIGHLIGHT and GREY_SHADOW  
> values.  Most of the
> sample curves that come with QTR have both values set to 6.   
> Whoever created that curve
> must have felt it warranted the change.  I don't think they have  
> much effect if you linearize
> properly, but I personally don't fiddle with these values, so  
> perhaps someone else can
> comment.
> 3.  I assume that you have installed QTR properly.  You will  
> therefore have a folder for your
> printer inside of Curvedesign/CurveDropBox.  All the curves  
> installed for your printer will
> be present in this folder in a .quad form, and this is the folder  
> that QTR will look in to find
> the installed curves.  To add an additional curve to this folder,  
> drop the descriptor file
> onto Drop-Quad_Profile.app.  This will create the .quad file, and  
> place it in the
> CurveDropBox in the correct printer folder.
> 4.  You will now have a curve that has been linearized for your  
> printer.
>
> If you want, you can take it one more step.  Print the step wedge  
> again - no color
> management from within PS, and WITH this new linearized curve from  
> within the QTR
> dialog box.  Let the target dry.  Scan it with the i1 and  
> MeasureTool.  This time, drop the
> text file generated by Measure tool onto QTR-Create-ICC.app.  This  
> will create an icc file
> that you can use within PS for soft proofing.  Also, from within PS  
> print with preview, select
> "Let Photoshop determine colors" and then select this new icc  
> file.  You'll get top notch
> results.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Best.
>
> Josh

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