QTR-Quadtone RIP

Roy & Stephen,

Last week I purchased Lightroom (after having extensively used the beta 
vesions). Although it can't replace Photoshop, I really like this tool, 
partly as photoeditor, but mainly as file management and presentation 
tool. I'm currently revisiting my workflow to make optimal use of it.

Now the impossibility to print directly from an application to QTR (I'm 
on windows) is becoming much more of an issue than it used to be. Is 
this something you foresee in a future release? Or (although I have 
seen several such implementations in the past) is there a fundamental 
hurdle?

Joost

Roy can speak for himself. I for one do not have the knowledge to write a
Windows "printer" driver which is what is required.

Have you tried "print to file" (I don't know if Lightroom supports that) and
have QTRgui monitor the folder? This works well for me with Qimage which is the
printing program I prefer. 


-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen

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Of Joost Horsten
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 2:37 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] QTR & Lightroom

Roy & Stephen,

Last week I purchased Lightroom (after having extensively used the beta
vesions). Although it can't replace Photoshop, I really like this tool, partly
as photoeditor, but mainly as file management and presentation tool. I'm
currently revisiting my workflow to make optimal use of it.

Now the impossibility to print directly from an application to QTR (I'm on
windows) is becoming much more of an issue than it used to be. Is this something
you foresee in a future release? Or (although I have seen several such
implementations in the past) is there a fundamental hurdle?

Joost



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As a matter of interest, why is the need to save a .tif and load it into 
qtrgui any more of a problem with Lightroom than with Photoshop?

regards
Howard

Joost Horsten wrote:

> Roy & Stephen,
> 
> Last week I purchased Lightroom (after having extensively used the beta 
> vesions). Although it can't replace Photoshop, I really like this tool, 
> partly as photoeditor, but mainly as file management and presentation 
> tool. I'm currently revisiting my workflow to make optimal use of it.
> 
> Now the impossibility to print directly from an application to QTR (I'm 
> on windows) is becoming much more of an issue than it used to be. Is 
> this something you foresee in a future release? Or (although I have 
> seen several such implementations in the past) is there a fundamental 
> hurdle?
> 
> Joost
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
>

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Howard Shaw <glassman@...> wrote:

> As a matter of interest, why is the need to save a .tif and load it 
into 
> qtrgui any more of a problem with Lightroom than with Photoshop?

Howard,

Of course one can still do that. But Lightroom provides the tools for 
a really nice, smooth workflow, all the way from capturing to 
printing. The "old" way of saving a separate tif file and printing it 
seperately is so much more "chunky" than if one just could print from 
Lightroom. I do quite a bit of portrait sessions these days and they 
come with a LOAD of rough images that need to be selected, edited, 
archived and finally printed. Smoothing the workflow really saves 
time for the "nice part" of photography.

More fundamentally, Lightroom offers some features that the 
combination of Photoshop and QTR do not (or much more cumbersome) 
provide: non-destructive cropping and much more sophisticated layout 
options (adding a border, combining prints on one sheet, adding some 
text, etc.)
 
Stephen,

I checked, but can't find an option to print to file in Lightroom.

Joost

I found that I can print from Lightroom 1.0 to QTR (Mac), but only if  
the printer color management option is selected.  Lightroom will  
crash if you try to use a QTR Create-icc profile (either RGB or  
grayscale).  So if your linearization is good you can get decent  
prints, but would be nice to have the ability to use an icc profile  
up front (would have to be RGB because grayscale mode is not  
supported in Lightroom).

Carl

On Feb 28, 2007, at 4:44 AM, Joost Horsten wrote:

> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Howard Shaw <glassman@...> wrote:
>
>> As a matter of interest, why is the need to save a .tif and load it
> into
>> qtrgui any more of a problem with Lightroom than with Photoshop?
>
> Howard,
>
> Of course one can still do that. But Lightroom provides the tools for
> a really nice, smooth workflow, all the way from capturing to
> printing. The "old" way of saving a separate tif file and printing it
> seperately is so much more "chunky" than if one just could print from
> Lightroom. I do quite a bit of portrait sessions these days and they
> come with a LOAD of rough images that need to be selected, edited,
> archived and finally printed. Smoothing the workflow really saves
> time for the "nice part" of photography.
>
> More fundamentally, Lightroom offers some features that the
> combination of Photoshop and QTR do not (or much more cumbersome)
> provide: non-destructive cropping and much more sophisticated layout
> options (adding a border, combining prints on one sheet, adding some
> text, etc.)
>
> Stephen,
>
> I checked, but can't find an option to print to file in Lightroom.
>
> Joost

On Wednesday, February 28, 2007, at 01:44  AM, Joost Horsten wrote:

> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Howard Shaw <glassman@...> wrote:
>
>> As a matter of interest, why is the need to save a .tif and load it
> into
>> qtrgui any more of a problem with Lightroom than with Photoshop?
>
> Howard,
>
> Of course one can still do that. But Lightroom provides the tools for
> a really nice, smooth workflow, all the way from capturing to
> printing. The "old" way of saving a separate tif file and printing it
> seperately is so much more "chunky" than if one just could print from
> Lightroom. I do quite a bit of portrait sessions these days and they
> come with a LOAD of rough images that need to be selected, edited,
> archived and finally printed. Smoothing the workflow really saves
> time for the "nice part" of photography.
>
> More fundamentally, Lightroom offers some features that the
> combination of Photoshop and QTR do not (or much more cumbersome)
> provide: non-destructive cropping and much more sophisticated layout
> options (adding a border, combining prints on one sheet, adding some
> text, etc.)
>
> Stephen,
>
> I checked, but can't find an option to print to file in Lightroom.
>
> Joost
>

QTR printing directly from Applications is something that I'd like to 
do.  But
there is a fair amount of knowledge and effort needed to do it.   So 
I'm not
at all sure if or when that might happen.

If you have Adobe Acrobat Pro (the full product not just the free 
Reader) you
might find printing to a PDF file useful.   Then save to TIFF for 
printing in QTR.

Roy

-
Roy Harrington
roy@...
Black & White Photo Gallery
http://www.harrington.com

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:

> If you have Adobe Acrobat Pro (the full product not just the free 
> Reader) you
> might find printing to a PDF file useful.   Then save to TIFF for 
> printing in QTR.

Thanks Roy,

I have given is a first try. It might work. I got it to work with 
PDFcreator (freeware). Perhaps Acrobat might do the job as well. I 
have it, but I'm not sure is has the "autosave" option of PDFcreator. 
And I do want to have this transparent, eliminating manual steps 
wherever possible.

What's not clear to me yet is how to deal with color 
management/profiles. When using Photoshop/QTRGui, I manually convert 
from AdobeRGB to Gray-LAB profile and then print it with QTRGui. 

I suppose that in this workflow I should use the RGB-gray-lab profile 
as print profile in Lightroom. Right? Acrobat and PDFcreator each 
have there own options to include profiles, but I expect them to be 
ignored/switched off.

Joost

I haven't been able to print from Lightroom (Mac) using QTR-Create  
icc profiles (RGB).  Crashes when trying to use these icc profiles.   
Only way so far is to print to QTR without color management (use  
printer management option).  I think Roy was investigating this  
problem and he may have more to say about this problem.

Carl

On Mar 6, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Joost Horsten wrote:

> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:
>
>> If you have Adobe Acrobat Pro (the full product not just the free
>> Reader) you
>> might find printing to a PDF file useful.   Then save to TIFF for
>> printing in QTR.
>
> Thanks Roy,
>
> I have given is a first try. It might work. I got it to work with
> PDFcreator (freeware). Perhaps Acrobat might do the job as well. I
> have it, but I'm not sure is has the "autosave" option of PDFcreator.
> And I do want to have this transparent, eliminating manual steps
> wherever possible.
>
> What's not clear to me yet is how to deal with color
> management/profiles. When using Photoshop/QTRGui, I manually convert
> from AdobeRGB to Gray-LAB profile and then print it with QTRGui.
>
> I suppose that in this workflow I should use the RGB-gray-lab profile
> as print profile in Lightroom. Right? Acrobat and PDFcreator each
> have there own options to include profiles, but I expect them to be
> ignored/switched off.
>

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
>
> I haven't been able to print from Lightroom (Mac) using QTR-Create  
> icc profiles (RGB).  Crashes when trying to use these icc 
profiles.   
> Only way so far is to print to QTR without color management (use  
> printer management option).  I think Roy was investigating this  
> problem and he may have more to say about this problem.

Carl,

Thank you for reminding me this issue. I forgot you mentioned this, 
but now I recall. I tried myself now but with also no success. I find 
the following : 

- There IS something weird with these QTR-RGB profiles, not onlu with 
use of LR. If I try to install them the "official" way, (right-click 
on the profile, select "install profile) (I'm on windows, as you may 
recall from the beginning of this thread), the photo-paper and matte-
paper profile give an error message. The RGB-lab profile doesn't. 
- If I copy the profiles manually to \windows\system32
\spool\drives\color, I DO find the QTR-RGB-matte paper and QTR-RGB-
photo-paper profiles as avaible print profiles in LR, but NOT the QTR-
RGB-LAB profile (that I understand I must use).
- If I use QTR profiles in LR, I get an warning about the profiles 
being invalid. I CAN complete the print action (no system crash), but 
the outcoming file is blank. 

So, indeed the QTR icc profiles seem to be corrupt indeed. 
Furthermore, I don't understand why I don't see the RGB-LAB profile. 
That seems to be a different beast altogether.

Joost