QTR-Quadtone RIP

Newbie to BW printing here. I'm about to buy the Quadtone RIP but am
confused about which inkset to buy. I'm looking at the MIS UT7 vs
Piezography's Neutral K7 inks. 

The Piezography ink set seems to cost double of the UT7 from MIS.
Anyone have any experience w/ either? Any reason I should pay twice as
much for the Piezography inks?

BTW, printing to an Epson Stylus Photo 2200. Thanks.

I can¹t compare the two since I use only the K7 inks.  With an R2400, on a
Mac, I get beautiful full tone prints using the profiles supplied by QTR.
EEM for hard proofs, Han Photo Rag for final prints, mostly.  As soon as Jon
Cone releases the kit for it, I¹ll switch to refillable carts.

Harry


On 3/25/08 4:47 PM, "scottcitron" <scott@...> wrote:

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>  
> 
> Newbie to BW printing here. I'm about to buy the Quadtone RIP but am
> confused about which inkset to buy. I'm looking at the MIS UT7 vs
> Piezography's Neutral K7 inks.
> 
> The Piezography ink set seems to cost double of the UT7 from MIS.
> Anyone have any experience w/ either? Any reason I should pay twice as
> much for the Piezography inks?
> 
> BTW, printing to an Epson Stylus Photo 2200. Thanks.
> 


Harry F. Lockwood




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Thanks for responding, Harry. Hoping someone using MIS UT7 will weigh
in, as well.

Scott

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Harry Lockwood <hflockwood@...>
wrote:
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> I can¹t compare the two since I use only the K7 inks.  With an
R2400, on a
> Mac, I get beautiful full tone prints using the profiles supplied by
QTR.
> EEM for hard proofs, Han Photo Rag for final prints, mostly.  As soon
as Jon
> Cone releases the kit for it, I¹ll switch to refillable carts.
>
> Harry
>
>
> On 3/25/08 4:47 PM, "scottcitron" scott@... wrote:
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> >
> >
> >
> > Newbie to BW printing here. I'm about to buy the Quadtone RIP but am
> > confused about which inkset to buy. I'm looking at the MIS UT7 vs
> > Piezography's Neutral K7 inks.
> >
> > The Piezography ink set seems to cost double of the UT7 from MIS.
> > Anyone have any experience w/ either? Any reason I should pay twice
as

> > much for the Piezography inks?
> >
> > BTW, printing to an Epson Stylus Photo 2200. Thanks.
> >
>
>
> Harry F. Lockwood
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scottcitron" <scott@...> wrote:
>
> Newbie to BW printing here. I'm about to buy the Quadtone RIP but am
> confused about which inkset to buy. I'm looking at the MIS UT7 vs
> Piezography's Neutral K7 inks. 

Scott

I used UT7 for about 2 years in my 2200.  Great prints using the profiles/tones on the MIS 
website.  But they got unreliable, the UT7 carts that is.  I'd be in the middle of a session 
and all of  a sudden the Mag. cart would stop working/spraying.  It wasn't empty.  Anb OE 
cart worked fine, try another UT7 cart, no spray.  Other times no matter what I did the 
printer wouldn't recognize the cart.  I was annoyed that the QC was so poor that paper 
spacers were recommened as the fix.

To make a really long story short I did every trick I could find from sources here and MIS 
help desk.  We never knew why the UT7s would give up BUT work the next day (maybe).  

I think it is my 2200 showing it's age.  For my print habits and schedules  the continuous 
feed system was a no go.

Anyway I got  QTR.  I use it with the OE Epson inks.  Easy to get, always and I mean always 
work no matter how long the printer sits.  No problems and I print instead of ^&*(ing 
around with windex and 4 dozen extra carts.

My 2 cents.

BTW did you grow up in CT?  If your name is as it looks Scott Citron I knew one 40yrs ago.

Neil

I have been using an Epson 2200 and the UT-7 inks for several years and 
am very happy with the results. I use QTR and Paul Roark's curves 
depending on the paper. I have only had good experiences with MIS. Given 
the cost difference, I would suggest that you give the UT-7 inks a try. 
Paula Berg

Hi Neil:

Many thanks for your response. Based on another response (below) I think
I'm gonna give the MIS inks a go, but I appreciate you taking the time
to answer.

BTW, I'm originally from Portland, OR. The guy using my name in CT must
be my evil twin.

Scott

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "neilsphoto" <neilsphoto@...> wrote:
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scottcitron" scott@ wrote:
> >
> > Newbie to BW printing here. I'm about to buy the Quadtone RIP but am
> > confused about which inkset to buy. I'm looking at the MIS UT7 vs
> > Piezography's Neutral K7 inks.
>
> Scott
>
> I used UT7 for about 2 years in my 2200.  Great prints using the
profiles/tones on the MIS
> website.  But they got unreliable, the UT7 carts that is.  I'd be in
the middle of a session
> and all of  a sudden the Mag. cart would stop working/spraying.  It
wasn't empty.  Anb OE
> cart worked fine, try another UT7 cart, no spray.  Other times no
matter what I did the
> printer wouldn't recognize the cart.  I was annoyed that the QC was so
poor that paper
> spacers were recommened as the fix.
>
> To make a really long story short I did every trick I could find from
sources here and MIS
> help desk.  We never knew why the UT7s would give up BUT work the next
day (maybe).
>
> I think it is my 2200 showing it's age.  For my print habits and
schedules  the continuous
> feed system was a no go.
>
> Anyway I got  QTR.  I use it with the OE Epson inks.  Easy to get,
always and I mean always
> work no matter how long the printer sits.  No problems and I print
instead of ^&*(ing
> around with windex and 4 dozen extra carts.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> BTW did you grow up in CT?  If your name is as it looks Scott Citron I
knew one 40yrs ago.

>
> Neil
>

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Paula Berg <Berg@...> wrote:
>
> I have been using an Epson 2200 and the UT-7 inks for several years and 
> am very happy with the results. I use QTR and Paul Roark's curves 
> depending on the paper. I have only had good experiences with MIS.
Given 
> the cost difference, I would suggest that you give the UT-7 inks a try. 
> Paula Berg
>

Hi Paula:

That's what I wanted to hear. Since the MIS inks are half that of
those from Piezography I'm glad to learn that you've used them without
problem. Based on your experience I think I'll give them a shot. Thanks.

Scott

Scott

I guess in my post I never mentioned that I did like
UT7 in the 2200.  When it worked, and it did with
almost no glitches for a couple of years I was
pleased.

I think the problem lies in my printer and their QC of
carts.  But here's a thought.  If you are going to use
QTR with UT7, I didn't, you can always load the QTR
2200 OE ink set curves as well and dial them up as
needed if you get into a UT7 hell like I did.

Neil

I think there is a serious problem with quality control from the cart 
manufacturers.

I bought a set of wide format refillable carts for the 7600 from MIS.  
Out of 13 carts total that I received, I think 6 were bad, before I 
finally got a good set. For example, I got a bad Cyan, Magenta, and 
Yellow in the first shipment. They would send new carts, the Yellow 
would be OK, but the new Cyan and Magenta were bad, etc.  The folks at 
MIS were nice through it all. Took about 4-5 weeks to get squared away.

In the middle of all of that I bought a second set of refillable carts 
for the 7600 from Lyson. They worked perfectly from first install, 
never a hiccup (I was starting to be afraid that it was the printer 
taht was the problem.  It wasn't, just the carts. ;>)

So - buy bulk ink and find another way to run the inks!  Maybe 
refilling the OEM carts if you don't want to go to a CIS?  Personally 
I'd go the CIS route, much less fuss.

Best,
Michael

Thanks for your addendum re the UT7 carts. I'll experiment with the
QTR curves as well as those from Epson, but suspect I'll have a friend
create a custom profile for me as well.

Point well taken. Thanks for weighing in, Michael.

Scott