QTR-Quadtone RIP

Greetings All,

I've been trying to make the QuadtoneRIP work with my setup (see below) for a couple of days now and so far all I've achieved is a large waste of ink and paper.  No matter which curve combo I select, no matter which app I print from (PS or Aperture), all the prints come out very washed out, way too light.  Before I wasted anymore ink and paper, I thought it might be wise to ask someone who knows more than me about what I might be doing wrong.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Details:

-Epson 4000 with UC ink.
-Epson Premium Luster Photo Paper.
-Mac Pro with 8GB, OS 10.5.5
-Photoshop CS3 & Aperture 2.1
-Eizo CE24W displays, calibrated with Gretagmacbeth i1.

Steve Latham


      

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what profile is associated with your images?
you should be using a gamma 2.2 profile.
I suspect you are using gamma 1.8 profile.

Mike

2008/11/17 Steve Latham <stlatham@...>

>   Greetings All,
>
> I've been trying to make the QuadtoneRIP work with my setup (see below) for
> a couple of days now and so far all I've achieved is a large waste of ink
> and paper. No matter which curve combo I select, no matter which app I print
> from (PS or Aperture), all the prints come out very washed out, way too
> light. Before I wasted anymore ink and paper, I thought it might be wise to
> ask someone who knows more than me about what I might be doing wrong.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Details:
>
> -Epson 4000 with UC ink.
> -Epson Premium Luster Photo Paper.
> -Mac Pro with 8GB, OS 10.5.5
> -Photoshop CS3 & Aperture 2.1
> -Eizo CE24W displays, calibrated with Gretagmacbeth i1.
>
> Steve Latham
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>


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Profiles used are Epson Pro4000 Premium Luster and one custom made with Gretagmacbeth 
i1.

Gamma 2.2 was used.

Steve


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Michael King" <drmrking@...> wrote:

>
> what profile is associated with your images?
> you should be using a gamma 2.2 profile.
> I suspect you are using gamma 1.8 profile.
> 
> Mike
>

You might want to describe your workflow. I'm not a Mac user so probably
can't comment on it, but there certainly are lots of Mac users here who can.

Tom Moore

> -----Original Message-----
> From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of stlatham
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:18 AM
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Prints washed out
> 
> Profiles used are Epson Pro4000 Premium Luster and one custom made with
> Gretagmacbeth
> i1.
> 
> Gamma 2.2 was used.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Michael King" <drmrking@...> wrote:
> >
> > what profile is associated with your images?
> > you should be using a gamma 2.2 profile.
> > I suspect you are using gamma 1.8 profile.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>

Workflow is:

1-Download images from Nikon D3 or D700 into Aperture 2.1.
2-Edit images in Aperture, occasionally PS.
3-Print using Aperture, using QuadtoneRIP, have also tried PS.
4-Have tried many different settings in QRIP, in both Aperture and PS.
The only problem I have printing is B&W and QRIP.  I can print B&W without QRIP, but the 
images aren't true B&W, even though I've converted to gray scale and tried other methods.  
QRIP prints are true B&W, but are very washed out.

If any other info would help, please let me know and I'll be happy to provide.

Thanks!
Steve 




--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Moore" <rtmlists8888@...> wrote:

>
> You might want to describe your workflow. I'm not a Mac user so probably
> can't comment on it, but there certainly are lots of Mac users here who can.
> 
> Tom Moore
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of stlatham
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:18 AM
> > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Prints washed out
> > 
> > Profiles used are Epson Pro4000 Premium Luster and one custom made with
> > Gretagmacbeth
> > i1.
> > 
> > Gamma 2.2 was used.
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Michael King" <drmrking@> wrote:
> > >
> > > what profile is associated with your images?
> > > you should be using a gamma 2.2 profile.
> > > I suspect you are using gamma 1.8 profile.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> >
>

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "stlatham" <stlatham@...> wrote:
>
> Workflow is:
> 
> 1-Download images from Nikon D3 or D700 into Aperture 2.1.
> 2-Edit images in Aperture, occasionally PS.
> 3-Print using Aperture, using QuadtoneRIP, have also tried PS.
> 4-Have tried many different settings in QRIP, in both Aperture and PS.
> The only problem I have printing is B&W and QRIP.  I can print B&W without QRIP, but the 
> images aren't true B&W, even though I've converted to gray scale and tried other 
methods.  
> QRIP prints are true B&W, but are very washed out.
> 
> If any other info would help, please let me know and I'll be happy to provide.
> 
> Thanks!
> Steve 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Moore" <rtmlists8888@> wrote:
> >
> > You might want to describe your workflow. I'm not a Mac user so probably
> > can't comment on it, but there certainly are lots of Mac users here who can.
> > 
> > Tom Moore
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > Behalf Of stlatham
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:18 AM
> > > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Prints washed out
> > > 
> > > Profiles used are Epson Pro4000 Premium Luster and one custom made with
> > > Gretagmacbeth
> > > i1.
> > > 
> > > Gamma 2.2 was used.
> > > 
> > > Steve
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Michael King" <drmrking@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > what profile is associated with your images?
> > > > you should be using a gamma 2.2 profile.
> > > > I suspect you are using gamma 1.8 profile.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 

OK, I'm certainly no professional, but when I'm using Leopard on a Mac Pro with QTR 
2.6.1, PS CS3 and an Epson 2200 with MIS UT7 inks.

I use Aperture to edit most of my pictures but I usually send a B&W print to PS to print.  
So, what I've been doing us using Aperture to convert the print to B&W.  I then send it to 
PS as a 16-bit PSD (you can do this with "edit with..." or export).

Once in PS, it's an 16-bit PSD in the Adobe-RGB color space.  OK, now the key step (at 
least for me) go to Edit->Convert to profile and choose Gray Gamma 2.2.  I've played with 
the other options (rendering intent, black point comp) and they don't seem to make a 
huge difference.  Maybe someone else can comment on these options.

Once you've got the image in the Gray Gamma 2.2 color space (using convert to profile) 
then edit the image to taste (contrast, curves, etc).

Now, in the print dialog you should be able to use the standard PS manages colors, 
perceptual intent, black point comp and set the curves in the print dialog.

Someone pipe in here if I'm steering him wrong, but this definitely falls into the "works for 
me" category :)

-Nick