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Anyone using QTR for carbon (as in carbon tissue) prints?

Anyone using QTR for carbon (as in carbon tissue) prints?

2009-06-09 by spsguru

Hi folks

I have been using QTR for palladium for a while and now and trying it with carbon tissue.

I took a stab at using some palladium negs to make a carbon print - and got a print - so at least I know how to make a print!

But now I am wondering if anyone else uses QTR. I am looking for tips for calibration - if there are any.

Thank you!
Sean

Re: Anyone using QTR for carbon (as in carbon tissue) prints?

2009-06-09 by John Vitollo

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "spsguru" <spsguru@...> wrote:
>
> Hi folks
> 
> I have been using QTR for palladium for a while and now and trying it with carbon tissue.
> 
> I took a stab at using some palladium negs to make a carbon print - and got a print - so at least I know how to make a print!
> 
> But now I am wondering if anyone else uses QTR. I am looking for tips for calibration - if there are any.

You might have this already but just in case:

http://www.ronreeder.com/articles/QTRManualv2.pdf

Re: Anyone using QTR for carbon (as in carbon tissue) prints?

2009-06-09 by Jon Cone

I recently formulated an eight shade high optical density Piezography ink and a transmissive version of the Piezography profiler. I am mostly using Pictorico films.

I am making large scale positives for Photogravure for a client. Photogravure uses sensitized carbon tissue which is adhered to copper and requires a very specific density range. The profiler automates curve creation and produces either full density film or preferred density film that is linearized.

For silver and platinum I can create film with density over 2.7 quite easily. Gravure density range is actually quite narrow.

The new ink does not scratch off and the film can be used more than once.

I have no plans to turn this into a Piezography product - but do plan to offer Piezography film and negative services to those who require very high fidelity films and/or very specific density ranges.

regards,

Jon Cone
Piezography

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "spsguru" <spsguru@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi folks
> 
> I have been using QTR for palladium for a while and now and trying it with carbon tissue.
> 
> I took a stab at using some palladium negs to make a carbon print - and got a print - so at least I know how to make a print!
> 
> But now I am wondering if anyone else uses QTR. I am looking for tips for calibration - if there are any.
> 
> Thank you!
> Sean
>

Re: Anyone using QTR for carbon (as in carbon tissue) prints?

2009-06-10 by rternbach

I've used a 3800 with K3 inks and QTR to make transparencies (only a few so far) on Pictorico film. No coating has been necessary but I'm not sure how to get a more continuous low-contrast transparency. If there is a piezography inkset which improves on the K3 inks to do this I would be interested in purchasing them for use in a 4800 with refillable cart's.  

Cheers!

Rudy Ternbach
S.Hadley, MAsstts.
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--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Cone" <jon@...> wrote:
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>
> I recently formulated an eight shade high optical density Piezography ink and a transmissive version of the Piezography profiler. I am mostly using Pictorico films.
> 
> I am making large scale positives for Photogravure for a client. Photogravure uses sensitized carbon tissue which is adhered to copper and requires a very specific density range. The profiler automates curve creation and produces either full density film or preferred density film that is linearized.
> 
> For silver and platinum I can create film with density over 2.7 quite easily. Gravure density range is actually quite narrow.
> 
> The new ink does not scratch off and the film can be used more than once.
> 
> I have no plans to turn this into a Piezography product - but do plan to offer Piezography film and negative services to those who require very high fidelity films and/or very specific density ranges.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Jon Cone
> Piezography
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "spsguru" <spsguru@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks
> > 
> > I have been using QTR for palladium for a while and now and trying it with carbon tissue.
> > 
> > I took a stab at using some palladium negs to make a carbon print - and got a print - so at least I know how to make a print!
> > 
> > But now I am wondering if anyone else uses QTR. I am looking for tips for calibration - if there are any.
> > 
> > Thank you!
> > Sean
> >
>

Re: Anyone using QTR for carbon (as in carbon tissue) prints?

2009-06-10 by Jon Cone

If you want to experiment with a commercially available Piezography ink set that will stick to film, the current Selenium MPS Black and Selenium K7 shades 4 and 5 are replacements to the Epson K3 inks. But you still need to find a way to create some sort of 3 ink curve for QTR and a way to control the contrast you are seeking...

Jon Cone
Piezography

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "rternbach" <RT@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> I've used a 3800 with K3 inks and QTR to make transparencies (only a few so far) on Pictorico film. No coating has been necessary but I'm not sure how to get a more continuous low-contrast transparency. If there is a piezography inkset which improves on the K3 inks to do this I would be interested in purchasing them for use in a 4800 with refillable cart's.  
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Rudy Ternbach
> S.Hadley, MAsstts.
> -----------------------------------------------
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Cone" <jon@> wrote:
> >
> > I recently formulated an eight shade high optical density Piezography ink and a transmissive version of the Piezography profiler. I am mostly using Pictorico films.
> > 
> > I am making large scale positives for Photogravure for a client. Photogravure uses sensitized carbon tissue which is adhered to copper and requires a very specific density range. The profiler automates curve creation and produces either full density film or preferred density film that is linearized.
> > 
> > For silver and platinum I can create film with density over 2.7 quite easily. Gravure density range is actually quite narrow.
> > 
> > The new ink does not scratch off and the film can be used more than once.
> > 
> > I have no plans to turn this into a Piezography product - but do plan to offer Piezography film and negative services to those who require very high fidelity films and/or very specific density ranges.
> > 
> > regards,
> > 
> > Jon Cone
> > Piezography
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "spsguru" <spsguru@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi folks
> > > 
> > > I have been using QTR for palladium for a while and now and trying it with carbon tissue.
> > > 
> > > I took a stab at using some palladium negs to make a carbon print - and got a print - so at least I know how to make a print!
> > > 
> > > But now I am wondering if anyone else uses QTR. I am looking for tips for calibration - if there are any.
> > > 
> > > Thank you!
> > > Sean
> > >
> >
>

Re: Anyone using QTR for carbon (as in carbon tissue) prints?

2009-06-11 by Berel Lutsky

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Cone" <jon@...> wrote:
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>I have used both Piezography K6/K7 through QTR and OEM Epson K3 with Epson's ABW set to finest detail etc. to make transparencies for photoetching and though I almost choke to say it, the K3 with the ABW set to neutral, finest detail etc. makes a very usable positive - in both cases in order to achieve a full black aquatint the darkest parts of the image must be reduced to 80-85% output using curves in Photoshop (just slide the far right down - dont bend) - no need to relinearize - I've used films from Inkpress, and oddly enough Staples "house brand" corporate express with good results - the CE film has a rough coating on the print side which actually enhances the aquatint effect- the % at which you set your blacks will depend a lot on what works for your exposure set up
> If you want to experiment with a commercially available Piezography ink set that will stick to film, the current Selenium MPS Black and Selenium K7 shades 4 and 5 are replacements to the Epson K3 inks. But you still need to find a way to create some sort of 3 ink curve for QTR and a way to control the contrast you are seeking...
> 
> Jon Cone
> Piezography
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "rternbach" <RT@> wrote:
> >
> > I've used a 3800 with K3 inks and QTR to make transparencies (only a few so far) on Pictorico film. No coating has been necessary but I'm not sure how to get a more continuous low-contrast transparency. If there is a piezography inkset which improves on the K3 inks to do this I would be interested in purchasing them for use in a 4800 with refillable cart's.  
> > 
> > Cheers!
> > 
> > Rudy Ternbach
> > S.Hadley, MAsstts.
> > -----------------------------------------------
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Cone" <jon@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I recently formulated an eight shade high optical density Piezography ink and a transmissive version of the Piezography profiler. I am mostly using Pictorico films.
> > > 
> > > I am making large scale positives for Photogravure for a client. Photogravure uses sensitized carbon tissue which is adhered to copper and requires a very specific density range. The profiler automates curve creation and produces either full density film or preferred density film that is linearized.
> > > 
> > > For silver and platinum I can create film with density over 2.7 quite easily. Gravure density range is actually quite narrow.
> > > 
> > > The new ink does not scratch off and the film can be used more than once.
> > > 
> > > I have no plans to turn this into a Piezography product - but do plan to offer Piezography film and negative services to those who require very high fidelity films and/or very specific density ranges.
> > > 
> > > regards,
> > > 
> > > Jon Cone
> > > Piezography
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "spsguru" <spsguru@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi folks
> > > > 
> > > > I have been using QTR for palladium for a while and now and trying it with carbon tissue.
> > > > 
> > > > I took a stab at using some palladium negs to make a carbon print - and got a print - so at least I know how to make a print!
> > > > 
> > > > But now I am wondering if anyone else uses QTR. I am looking for tips for calibration - if there are any.
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you!
> > > > Sean
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Anyone using QTR for carbon (as in carbon tissue) prints?

2009-06-11 by donbga

Sean,

> But now I am wondering if anyone else uses QTR. I am looking for tips for calibration - if there are any.

You may wish to vist the Bostick & Sullivan Carbon forum for more in depth discussions of Carbon printing and creating digital negatives with QTR for carbon printing.


http://bostick-sullivan.invisionzone.com/index.php

Good luck,

Don Bryant

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