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2010-07-28 by michael.trupiano
1. does QTR 2.7.0 work with the Lightroom 3 Print Module 2. CS5 printing (as it did with CS3 -- my most recent version) on a Mac running Snow Leopard and Epson 38XX and 48XX printers.
2010-07-28 by tboleyyh
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "michael.trupiano" <mptrupiano@...> wrote: > > 1. does QTR 2.7.0 work with the Lightroom 3 Print Module > > 2. CS5 printing (as it did with CS3 -- my most recent version) > > on a Mac running Snow Leopard and Epson 38XX and 48XX printers. > here is a post I made on the large format forum, this is with Snow Leopard, Lightroom 3, and a 2400, hope it helps- regarding printing from Lightroom, I just verified printing to QTR will function usefully given some particulars. Lightroom's data path appears to be limited to RGB, so even though you have used the various tools to make your file monochromatic, it is still a 3 channel RGB file, and will only convert to and from RGB spaces and output profiles. Fortunately QTR will accept RGB input and deal with it handily. So the B&W workflow to print from Lightroom to QTR is- For Cone setups using his curves, which are optimized to 2.2 gamma, check the "include display profiles" box, your RGB working spaces will now be available, select a 2.2 gamma working space like AdobeRGB or sRGB as your printer profile. Hitting print will then take you into your normal QTR dialogue box assuming that has been selected in print settings. For other QTR setups using included tools or curves, which linearize to LAB, select QTR_RGB_Matte_Paper or QTR_RGB_Photo_Paper as needed as the printer profile. If you make your own QTR profiles, make RGB versions for Lightroom printing using QTR-Create-ICC-RGB. Single channel profiles (grayscale) or CMYK 4 channel profiles don't even show up on Lightroom's list. This may be redundant info for many, but I'm just now exploring Lightroom options for fine art, as I don't really use it myself. I could rant about the dumbing down and options-consolidation of our supposedly "evolving" tools, but it only reveals the codger in me to no good end... Tyler
2010-08-26 by Cathy Cakebread
Thanks Tyler! Has anyone tried this with a PC (vs. A MAC)? It would be great to be able to print QTR without having to use the special dialog box (required when you use a PC). I use custom profiles and curves. Thanks! Cathy --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "tboleyyh" <tyler@...> wrote:
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "michael.trupiano" <mptrupiano@> wrote: > > > > 1. does QTR 2.7.0 work with the Lightroom 3 Print Module > > > > 2. CS5 printing (as it did with CS3 -- my most recent version) > > > > on a Mac running Snow Leopard and Epson 38XX and 48XX printers. > > > here is a post I made on the large format forum, this is with Snow Leopard, Lightroom 3, and a 2400, hope it helps- > > regarding printing from Lightroom, I just verified printing to QTR will function usefully given some particulars. Lightroom's data path appears to be limited to RGB, so even though you have used the various tools to make your file monochromatic, it is still a 3 channel RGB file, and will only convert to and from RGB spaces and output profiles. > Fortunately QTR will accept RGB input and deal with it handily. > > So the B&W workflow to print from Lightroom to QTR is- > > For Cone setups using his curves, which are optimized to 2.2 gamma, check the "include display profiles" box, your RGB working spaces will now be available, select a 2.2 gamma working space like AdobeRGB or sRGB as your printer profile. Hitting print will then take you into your normal QTR dialogue box assuming that has been selected in print settings. > > For other QTR setups using included tools or curves, which linearize to LAB, select QTR_RGB_Matte_Paper or QTR_RGB_Photo_Paper as needed as the printer profile. > > If you make your own QTR profiles, make RGB versions for Lightroom printing using QTR-Create-ICC-RGB. > > Single channel profiles (grayscale) or CMYK 4 channel profiles don't even show up on Lightroom's list. > > This may be redundant info for many, but I'm just now exploring Lightroom options for fine art, as I don't really use it myself. > > I could rant about the dumbing down and options-consolidation of our supposedly "evolving" tools, but it only reveals the codger in me to no good end... > Tyler >
2010-08-26 by Walker Blackwell
Ok. So I feel stupid here. All I've been needing to do to get CS5/QTR to work is use an RGB CreateICC profile? The v2.7 BW Create-ICC profiles are not working at all with CS5/Snow-Leopard 10.6.4 I'll try and confirm this or else someone hear can beat me to the punch. All the best, Walker On Aug 26, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Cathy Cakebread wrote: > Thanks Tyler! > Has anyone tried this with a PC (vs. A MAC)? > It would be great to be able to print QTR without having to use the special dialog box (required when you use a PC). I use custom profiles and curves. > Thanks! > Cathy > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "tboleyyh" <tyler@...> wrote: >> >> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "michael.trupiano" <mptrupiano@> wrote: >>> >>> 1. does QTR 2.7.0 work with the Lightroom 3 Print Module >>> >>> 2. CS5 printing (as it did with CS3 -- my most recent version) >>> >>> on a Mac running Snow Leopard and Epson 38XX and 48XX printers. >>> >> here is a post I made on the large format forum, this is with Snow Leopard, Lightroom 3, and a 2400, hope it helps- >> >> regarding printing from Lightroom, I just verified printing to QTR will function usefully given some particulars. Lightroom's data path appears to be limited to RGB, so even though you have used the various tools to make your file monochromatic, it is still a 3 channel RGB file, and will only convert to and from RGB spaces and output profiles. >> Fortunately QTR will accept RGB input and deal with it handily. >> >> So the B&W workflow to print from Lightroom to QTR is- >> >> For Cone setups using his curves, which are optimized to 2.2 gamma, check the "include display profiles" box, your RGB working spaces will now be available, select a 2.2 gamma working space like AdobeRGB or sRGB as your printer profile. Hitting print will then take you into your normal QTR dialogue box assuming that has been selected in print settings. >> >> For other QTR setups using included tools or curves, which linearize to LAB, select QTR_RGB_Matte_Paper or QTR_RGB_Photo_Paper as needed as the printer profile. >> >> If you make your own QTR profiles, make RGB versions for Lightroom printing using QTR-Create-ICC-RGB. >> >> Single channel profiles (grayscale) or CMYK 4 channel profiles don't even show up on Lightroom's list. >> >> This may be redundant info for many, but I'm just now exploring Lightroom options for fine art, as I don't really use it myself. >> >> I could rant about the dumbing down and options-consolidation of our supposedly "evolving" tools, but it only reveals the codger in me to no good end... >> Tyler >> > > Walker Blackwell 802.821.4451 www.walkerblackwell.com aim: greendirtblues wblackwell@...
2010-08-28 by George Pappas
Hello Walker, I have had recent success using custom made profiles for my ink/paper through QTR's RGB create profile utility and printing with Lightroom 3 under OS 10.6.4. I have also used the same profiles to create soft proof views in Photoshop CS3 and CS4; I have not yet upgraded to CS5. I use QTR 2.7 with Jon Cone's MPS Selenium inkset on an Epson 4880 printer. I find that the setup produces beautiful prints but the Lightroom workflow took me a little bit of trial and error work out. I had to issues to solve for: 1) arriving at a workflow that would deliver a B&W file to QTR from Lightroom with the needed 2.2 gamma, and 2) Having the range of tones in the file be faithfully translated into the range of tones my particular ink/paper combination was profiled for by Inkjetmall. I ended up using Lightroom's print function to convert my images into an RGB profile I made for my ink/paper combination using QTR's create-profile tools. I then used my standard QTR print workflow with the Cone QTR profile made for my ink/paper combination. This combined workflow successfully converts a deasturated "B&W" RGB image from Lightroom's wide-gamut Prophoto RGB color space into the right "B&W color"space for my ink/paper combination with a 2.2 gamma and then feeds it to QTR for printing with the cone profile. With this method, I get the best mapping of tonality from my image file into QTR's output capability. I have made prints from this method and compared them to my much more controlled Photoshop workflow and they have the same quality and tonal distribution. An important point here: Lightroom does not have a "soft proof" capability. I profiled my monitor for a darker white point and lower contrast range (85 lumens, 250:1 contrast) to better simulate the reflectance of a print. It gets me close enough to a soft proof to be very workable. I also find that the narrower contrast range works very well with Photoshop soft-proof capability. These suggestions came from Jon Cone's detailed workflow documents for profiling and working with MPS.. Bottom line, I now get great B&W prints directly from Lightroom using the Cone K7/MPS selenium inkset. I no longer have to use Photoshop to get the equivalent print quality - though I still use Photoshop for many images where it gives me more thorough (and comfortable for me) control. George George C. Pappas <mailto:george@...> george@... (703) 268-3196 _____
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Walker Blackwell Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:06 PM To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: QTR 2.7.0 and Lightroom 3 and CS5.... Ok. So I feel stupid here. All I've been needing to do to get CS5/QTR to work is use an RGB CreateICC profile? The v2.7 BW Create-ICC profiles are not working at all with CS5/Snow-Leopard 10.6.4 I'll try and confirm this or else someone hear can beat me to the punch. All the best, Walker On Aug 26, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Cathy Cakebread wrote: > Thanks Tyler! > Has anyone tried this with a PC (vs. A MAC)? > It would be great to be able to print QTR without having to use the special dialog box (required when you use a PC). I use custom profiles and curves. > Thanks! > Cathy > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com <mailto:QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com> , "tboleyyh" <tyler@...> wrote: >> >> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com <mailto:QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com> , "michael.trupiano" <mptrupiano@> wrote: >>> >>> 1. does QTR 2.7.0 work with the Lightroom 3 Print Module >>> >>> 2. CS5 printing (as it did with CS3 -- my most recent version) >>> >>> on a Mac running Snow Leopard and Epson 38XX and 48XX printers. >>> >> here is a post I made on the large format forum, this is with Snow Leopard, Lightroom 3, and a 2400, hope it helps- >> >> regarding printing from Lightroom, I just verified printing to QTR will function usefully given some particulars. Lightroom's data path appears to be limited to RGB, so even though you have used the various tools to make your file monochromatic, it is still a 3 channel RGB file, and will only convert to and from RGB spaces and output profiles. >> Fortunately QTR will accept RGB input and deal with it handily. >> >> So the B&W workflow to print from Lightroom to QTR is- >> >> For Cone setups using his curves, which are optimized to 2.2 gamma, check the "include display profiles" box, your RGB working spaces will now be available, select a 2.2 gamma working space like AdobeRGB or sRGB as your printer profile. Hitting print will then take you into your normal QTR dialogue box assuming that has been selected in print settings. >> >> For other QTR setups using included tools or curves, which linearize to LAB, select QTR_RGB_Matte_Paper or QTR_RGB_Photo_Paper as needed as the printer profile. >> >> If you make your own QTR profiles, make RGB versions for Lightroom printing using QTR-Create-ICC-RGB. >> >> Single channel profiles (grayscale) or CMYK 4 channel profiles don't even show up on Lightroom's list. >> >> This may be redundant info for many, but I'm just now exploring Lightroom options for fine art, as I don't really use it myself. >> >> I could rant about the dumbing down and options-consolidation of our supposedly "evolving" tools, but it only reveals the codger in me to no good end... >> Tyler >> > > Walker Blackwell 802.821.4451 www.walkerblackwell.com aim: greendirtblues wblackwell@... <mailto:wblackwell%40googlewave.com> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5400 (20100826) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5404 (20100828) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2010-08-31 by Walker Blackwell
Well. I tested with CreateICC RGB from CS5 and the L values didn't budge between no color management and my custom ICC. That sucks. So we still can't use custom ICCs with QTR out of CS5? Walker
2010-09-02 by Walker Blackwell
> > Bottom line, I now get great B&W prints directly from Lightroom using the > Cone K7/MPS selenium inkset. I no longer have to use Photoshop to get the > equivalent print quality - though I still use Photoshop for many images > where it gives me more thorough (and comfortable for me) control. > Yeah. I hear you there. The problem is, I'm teaching this stuff in a university that has upgraded to CS5 and doesn't want to fork for Lightroom (stupid move in their part). I keep CS3 on there just for backwards compatibility though. So I can fall back on it . . . . I just wish CS5/SnowLeopard sent the correctly applied tonal values to QTR when a CreateICC profile was selected. It would keep the workflow the same. I guess I can just fall back on 2.2 and relinearize all my curves internally. Walker
2010-09-02 by Terry Ritz
On 10-09-02 7:40 AM, "Walker Blackwell" <forums@...> wrote: > I keep CS3 on there just for backwards > compatibility though. So I can fall back on it . . . . I just upgraded to Snow Leopard / CS5, but I also left CS3 on just in case. To confirm, everything works correctly with CS3, from printing ink separation files through to working with CreateICC files, correct? I also assume that colour management (and "no colour management") works as expected with regular colour profiles and CS3 / Snow Leopard? Thanks. Terry.
2010-09-02 by Walker Blackwell
On Sep 2, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Terry Ritz wrote: > On 10-09-02 7:40 AM, "Walker Blackwell" <forums@...> wrote: > >> I keep CS3 on there just for backwards >> compatibility though. So I can fall back on it . . . . > > I just upgraded to Snow Leopard / CS5, but I also left CS3 on just in case. > To confirm, everything works correctly with CS3, from printing ink > separation files through to working with CreateICC files, correct? Yes. On all drivers using CS3/10.6.4 (confirmed by apple engineers and me on bug report website) > > I also assume that colour management (and "no colour management") works as > expected with regular colour profiles and CS3 / Snow Leopard? > Yes. But only with 10.6.4 so far. > Thanks. > > Terry. > > Walker Blackwell 802.821.4451 www.walkerblackwell.com aim: greendirtblues wblackwell@...
2010-09-02 by Terry Ritz
That's good news. Thanks Walter. Terry.
On 10-09-02 8:38 AM, "Walker Blackwell" <forums@...> wrote: > > On Sep 2, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Terry Ritz wrote: > >> On 10-09-02 7:40 AM, "Walker Blackwell" <forums@...> wrote: >> >>> I keep CS3 on there just for backwards >>> compatibility though. So I can fall back on it . . . . >> >> I just upgraded to Snow Leopard / CS5, but I also left CS3 on just in case. >> To confirm, everything works correctly with CS3, from printing ink >> separation files through to working with CreateICC files, correct? > > Yes. On all drivers using CS3/10.6.4 (confirmed by apple engineers and me on > bug report website) > >> >> I also assume that colour management (and "no colour management") works as >> expected with regular colour profiles and CS3 / Snow Leopard? >> > > Yes. But only with 10.6.4 so far. > >> Thanks. >> >> Terry. >> >> > > Walker Blackwell > 802.821.4451 > www.walkerblackwell.com > aim: greendirtblues > wblackwell@... > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >