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2008-04-20 by David Bulog
Hi does anyone on the list know if SH2 or SH09 uses a custom IC for each of the VCOs or is discrete off the self components like System 100 101 My other question is would the SH2 be similar in sound to a System 100m three module combo consisting of 112,130,140. The SH-2 is the only Dual VCO Roland apart from SH5/7 that is still reasonably priced thanks in advance David
2008-04-20 by synth ollie
I believe not, the sh2 has propably an older vcf design than the 100m, maybe more like the older system 100 vcf people often say that they find the system 100 sound fatter/warmer than the 100m, that has a lot to do with the different vcf designs i believe OLLIE >My other question is would the SH2 be similar in sound to a System >100m three module combo consisting of 112,130,140. >The SH-2 is the only Dual VCO Roland apart from SH5/7 that is still >reasonably priced > >thanks in advance >David _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
2008-04-20 by Olivier "Pharmacon"
Hi does anyone on the list know if SH2 or SH09 uses a custom IC for
each of the VCOs or is discrete off the self components like System
100 101
My other question is would the SH2 be similar in sound to a System
100m three module combo consisting of 112,130,140.
The SH-2 is the only Dual VCO Roland apart from SH5/7 that is still
reasonably priced
thanks in advance
David
2008-04-20 by synth ollie
ooops sorry, my mistake ! I was (almost) certain that sh2 and 09 had the same vcf design as system100 - transistors and not ba622 but I just checked the sh09 schemo and I can see that it uses the ba622 just as you say (I should have red the schemos before I opened my mouth ;c) ) ________________________________ To: RolandSystem100m@yahoogroups.com
From: synth@pharmacon.jp Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:06:39 +0900 Subject: Re: [RolandSystem100m] Roland SH2 VCO question The SH2 does sound similar to the SH09/100M. They all use the same OTA filter based on BA662 chips. This design comes from the System700 OTA filter based on CA3080 chips. You can find the same filter as the 700's in the SH1 only. The System100 has a different filter design as it uses a transistor filter like the SH5. Roland eventually came back to a transistor filter with...the TB303. Cheers Olivier P.S: hope my English is clear enough. David Bulog wrote: Hi does anyone on the list know if SH2 or SH09 uses a custom IC for each of the VCOs or is discrete off the self components like System 100 101 My other question is would the SH2 be similar in sound to a System 100m three module combo consisting of 112,130,140. The SH-2 is the only Dual VCO Roland apart from SH5/7 that is still reasonably priced thanks in advance David _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
2008-04-20 by David Bulog
ooops sorry, my mistake !
I was (almost) certain that sh2 and 09 had the same
vcf design as system100 - transistors and not ba622
but I just checked the sh09 schemo and I can see that it uses
the ba622 just as you say
(I should have red the schemos before I opened my mouth ;c) )
________________________________
To: RolandSystem100m@yahoogroups.com
From: synth@pharmacon.jp
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:06:39 +0900
Subject: Re: [RolandSystem100m] Roland SH2 VCO question
The SH2 does sound similar to the SH09/100M.
They all use the same OTA filter based on BA662 chips.
This design comes from the System700 OTA filter based on CA3080 chips.
You can find the same filter as the 700's in the SH1 only.
The System100 has a different filter design as it uses a transistor filter like the SH5.
Roland eventually came back to a transistor filter with...the TB303.
Cheers
Olivier
P.S: hope my English is clear enough.
David Bulog wrote:
Hi does anyone on the list know if SH2 or SH09 uses a custom IC for
each of the VCOs or is discrete off the self components like System
100 101
My other question is would the SH2 be similar in sound to a System
100m three module combo consisting of 112,130,140.
The SH-2 is the only Dual VCO Roland apart from SH5/7 that is still
reasonably priced
thanks in advance
David
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2008-04-20 by Dan Leuca
hi everybody, I own a System 102 expander, a 4 VCO Roland 100M and a SH-2 and a SH-101 and they do NOT sound the same...the fattest is SH-2...then the SH-101...then the 100M and then the 102....which is more squelchy but not fatter...(maybe if I had the 101 +102 from system 100 would have been different). This is how I perceive them anyway... Dan
----- Original Message ----
From: David Bulog <d2ba@...>
To: RolandSystem100m@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 20 April, 2008 10:48:54 AM
Subject: Re: [RolandSystem100m] Roland SH2 VCO question
Thanks very much guys so getting back to my question on VCO's are uA726HC chips an off the shelf part
thanks David
Like most Roland synths from the 70's they use uA726HC-based VCO's. I
believe all "Systems" and all SH's less than 100 uses them as well as
Jupiter-4, Promars. and SPV-355.
On 20/04/2008, at 9:19 PM, synth ollie wrote:
ooops sorry, my mistake !
I was (almost) certain that sh2 and 09 had the same
vcf design as system100 - transistors and not ba622
but I just checked the sh09 schemo and I can see that it uses
the ba622 just as you say
(I should have red the schemos before I opened my mouth ;c) )
____________ _________ _________ __
To: RolandSystem100m@ yahoogroups. com
From: synth@pharmacon. jp
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:06:39 +0900
Subject: Re: [RolandSystem100m] Roland SH2 VCO question
The SH2 does sound similar to the SH09/100M.
They all use the same OTA filter based on BA662 chips.
This design comes from the System700 OTA filter based on CA3080 chips.
You can find the same filter as the 700's in the SH1 only.
The System100 has a different filter design as it uses a transistor filter like the SH5.
Roland eventually came back to a transistor filter with...the TB303.
Cheers
Olivier
P.S: hope my English is clear enough.
David Bulog wrote:
Hi does anyone on the list know if SH2 or SH09 uses a custom IC for
each of the VCOs or is discrete off the self components like System
100 101
My other question is would the SH2 be similar in sound to a System
100m three module combo consisting of 112,130,140.
The SH-2 is the only Dual VCO Roland apart from SH5/7 that is still
reasonably priced
thanks in advance
David
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<!--2008-04-20 by Dan Leuca
ooops, I also have the SPV-355 which sound s quite fat....I love it...a very good sounding filter... dan
----- Original Message ----
From: David Bulog <d2ba@...>
To: RolandSystem100m@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 20 April, 2008 10:48:54 AM
Subject: Re: [RolandSystem100m] Roland SH2 VCO question
Thanks very much guys so getting back to my question on VCO's are uA726HC chips an off the shelf part
thanks David
Like most Roland synths from the 70's they use uA726HC-based VCO's. I
believe all "Systems" and all SH's less than 100 uses them as well as
Jupiter-4, Promars. and SPV-355.
On 20/04/2008, at 9:19 PM, synth ollie wrote:
ooops sorry, my mistake !
I was (almost) certain that sh2 and 09 had the same
vcf design as system100 - transistors and not ba622
but I just checked the sh09 schemo and I can see that it uses
the ba622 just as you say
(I should have red the schemos before I opened my mouth ;c) )
____________ _________ _________ __
To: RolandSystem100m@ yahoogroups. com
From: synth@pharmacon. jp
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:06:39 +0900
Subject: Re: [RolandSystem100m] Roland SH2 VCO question
The SH2 does sound similar to the SH09/100M.
They all use the same OTA filter based on BA662 chips.
This design comes from the System700 OTA filter based on CA3080 chips.
You can find the same filter as the 700's in the SH1 only.
The System100 has a different filter design as it uses a transistor filter like the SH5.
Roland eventually came back to a transistor filter with...the TB303.
Cheers
Olivier
P.S: hope my English is clear enough.
David Bulog wrote:
Hi does anyone on the list know if SH2 or SH09 uses a custom IC for
each of the VCOs or is discrete off the self components like System
100 101
My other question is would the SH2 be similar in sound to a System
100m three module combo consisting of 112,130,140.
The SH-2 is the only Dual VCO Roland apart from SH5/7 that is still
reasonably priced
thanks in advance
David
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<!--2008-04-20 by ryktnk
Hello The ua726 is the dual matched transistor for the control voltage exponential converter. This does not affect the sound per se, more the tracking and stability of the VCO's pitch. They contain a "heater" to keep the transistors at a constant temperature. They are pretty rare, but you can buy them on Ebay from "hongkongsuperseller" or "allpartspipe". -ryk --- In RolandSystem100m@yahoogroups.com, David Bulog <d2ba@...> wrote:
> > Thanks very much guys so getting back to my question on VCO's are > uA726HC chips an off the shelf part > thanks David > > Like most Roland synths from the 70's they use uA726HC-based VCO's. I > believe all "Systems" and all SH's less than 100 uses them as well as > Jupiter-4, Promars. and SPV-355. > On 20/04/2008, at 9:19 PM, synth ollie wrote: > > > > > ooops sorry, my mistake ! > > > > I was (almost) certain that sh2 and 09 had the same > > vcf design as system100 - transistors and not ba622 > > > > but I just checked the sh09 schemo and I can see that it uses > > the ba622 just as you say > > > > (I should have red the schemos before I opened my mouth ;c) ) > > > > ________________________________ > > > > To: RolandSystem100m@yahoogroups.com > > From: synth@... > > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:06:39 +0900 > > Subject: Re: [RolandSystem100m] Roland SH2 VCO question > > > > The SH2 does sound similar to the SH09/100M. > > They all use the same OTA filter based on BA662 chips. > > This design comes from the System700 OTA filter based on CA3080 chips. > > You can find the same filter as the 700's in the SH1 only. > > The System100 has a different filter design as it uses a transistor > > filter like the SH5. > > Roland eventually came back to a transistor filter with...the TB303. > > > > Cheers > > Olivier > > P.S: hope my English is clear enough. > > > > David Bulog wrote: > > > > Hi does anyone on the list know if SH2 or SH09 uses a custom IC for > > each of the VCOs or is discrete off the self components like System > > 100 101 > > > > My other question is would the SH2 be similar in sound to a System > > 100m three module combo consisting of 112,130,140. > > The SH-2 is the only Dual VCO Roland apart from SH5/7 that is still > > reasonably priced > > > > thanks in advance > > David > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's > > FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > >