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From: Shawn Cleary [mailto:schism01@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 5:43 AM
To: analogue@...
Subject: [AH] Short MKS-80 / MPG-80 Questions


hi,

I got the combo and gave it to my friend so he could work on some tracks. I
didn't have the manual and now he wants me to find the answers to some
questions.

1. How do you switch between Poly and Omni modes?
2. How do you turn local OFF?

Both either on the programmer, sound module or both. Please post to AH so I
don't get multiple replies, and anyone I didn't respond to last week, trust
me I will get back to you. I've had a lot of emails on my various posts.

Thanks a lot,

Shawn Cleary

From: TRip 909 [mailto:trip909@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 5:45 PM
To: analogue@...
Subject: Re: [AH] Short MKS-80 / MPG-80 Questions


Shawn Cleary wrote:

>I got the combo and gave it to my friend so he could work on some tracks. I

>didn't have the manual and now he wants me to find the answers to some 
>questions.
>
>1. How do you switch between Poly and Omni modes?

You can do this only with the common MIDI mode messages. No way on the 
MKS-80 or MPG-80.

>2. How do you turn local OFF?

I think you mean the usual MIDI local off, but on a *keyless* synth expander

... ???

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From: media@... [mailto:media@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 6:44 PM
To: analogue@...
Subject: Re: [AH] Short MKS-80 / MPG-80 Questions


At 5:45 PM +0100 03/21/01, TRip 909 wrote:
>
>>1. How do you switch between Poly and Omni modes?
>
>You can do this only with the common MIDI mode messages. No way on the
>MKS-80 or MPG-80.

I don't see why you would ever have to change anything that way -- the
Assign Mode of each patch can be changed with either the MPG-80 or the
MKS-80 front panel.

>>2. How do you turn local OFF?
>
>I think you mean the usual MIDI local off, but on a *keyless* synth
>>expander ... ???

In mode III the MKS-80 echoes all incoming data on it's MIDI out.  To
prevent this, set it to either I or II using the switch labeled "MIDI
FUNCTION".

Mode I --   Notes with velocity, Sustain pedal, Active Sensing,
            and Mode Message.

Mode II --  all of Mode I, plus Pitch Bend, Bender Sensitivity, Volume,
            Mod Wheel, After Touch, Tune Request, and Program Change.

Mode III -- same as mode II, except it will send and receive SysEx,
            only receive Program Change and will not send it when you
            change patches, and send out all messages received
            from MIDI in.

All of this is explained in the manual.

From: TRip 909 [mailto:trip909@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 5:02 PM
To: media@...; analogue@...
Subject: Re: [AH] Short MKS-80 / MPG-80 Questions


>At 5:45 PM +0100 03/21/01, TRip 909 wrote:
> >
> >>1. How do you switch between Poly and Omni modes?
> >
> >You can do this only with the common MIDI mode messages. No way on the
> >MKS-80 or MPG-80.
>
>I don't see why you would ever have to change anything that way -- the
>Assign Mode of each patch can be changed with either the MPG-80 or the
>MKS-80 front panel.

Poly and Omni means the MIDI modes, eg. Poly to receive on a specific 
channel, Onmi to receive on all channels. You can't change this on the panel

or the MPG-80, only with MIDI messages (so says the manual and I also found 
no other way to do this).

> >>2. How do you turn local OFF?
> >
> >I think you mean the usual MIDI local off, but on a *keyless* synth
> >>expander ... ???
>
>In mode III the MKS-80 echoes all incoming data on it's MIDI out.  To
>prevent this, set it to either I or II using the switch labeled "MIDI
>FUNCTION".

This could be one solution. The classic local off means a disconnection 
between the keyboard and the voice engines. The MKS-80 has no keyboard, so 
the guy may ask for a mode in which panel changes will be sent to MIDI 
without affecting the current patch. This cannot be done with the MKS-80 
with or w/o the MPG-80.

-- TRip909 (trip909@...)

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From: TRip 909 [mailto:trip909@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 5:03 PM
To: media@...; analogue@...
Subject: Re: [AH] Short MKS-80 / MPG-80 Questions


>At 5:45 PM +0100 03/21/01, TRip 909 wrote:
> >
> >>1. How do you switch between Poly and Omni modes?
> >
> >You can do this only with the common MIDI mode messages. No way on the
> >MKS-80 or MPG-80.
>
>I don't see why you would ever have to change anything that way -- the
>Assign Mode of each patch can be changed with either the MPG-80 or the
>MKS-80 front panel.

Poly and Omni means the MIDI modes, eg. Poly to receive on a specific 
channel, Onmi to receive on all channels. You can't change this on the panel

or the MPG-80, only with MIDI messages (so says the manual and I also found 
no other way to do this).

> >>2. How do you turn local OFF?
> >
> >I think you mean the usual MIDI local off, but on a *keyless* synth
> >>expander ... ???
>
>In mode III the MKS-80 echoes all incoming data on it's MIDI out.  To
>prevent this, set it to either I or II using the switch labeled "MIDI
>FUNCTION".

This could be one solution. The classic local off means a disconnection 
between the keyboard and the voice engines. The MKS-80 has no keyboard, so 
the guy may ask for a mode in which panel changes will be sent to MIDI 
without affecting the current patch. This cannot be done with the MKS-80 
with or w/o the MPG-80.

-- TRip909 (trip909@...)

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From: media@... [mailto:media@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 6:15 PM
To: analogue@...
Subject: Re: [AH] Short MKS-80 / MPG-80 Questions


At 5:02 PM +0100 03/22/01, TRip 909 wrote:
>
>>I don't see why you would ever have to change anything that way -- the
>>Assign Mode of each patch can be changed with either the MPG-80 or the
>>MKS-80 front panel.
>
>Poly and Omni means the MIDI modes, eg. Poly to receive on a specific
>channel, Onmi to receive on all channels. You can't change this on
>the panel or the MPG-80, only with MIDI messages (so says the manual and I
>>also found no other way to do this).

Yes, and I still cannot see why someone would want to set it to receive on
all MIDI channels.  Then again, I can't see why you sent me four of these
messages -- I wasn't the one asking the question.

>> >I think you mean the usual MIDI local off, but on a *keyless* synth
>> >>expander ... ???
>>
>>In mode III the MKS-80 echoes all incoming data on it's MIDI out.  To
>>prevent this, set it to either I or II using the switch labeled "MIDI
>>FUNCTION".
>
>This could be one solution. The classic local off means a disconnection
>between the keyboard and the voice engines. The MKS-80 has no keyboard

Yes, and it should be obvious to anyone who has an MKS-80 that it does not
have a keyboard.  So rather than talking down to someone simply for asking
a polite question, it's much more helpful to tell them something they might
not already know.

>so the guy may ask for a mode in which panel changes will be sent to MIDI
>without affecting the current patch.

While that seems very unlikely, sometimes you have to make basic
assumptions as to what trouble a person is most likely having in order to
help them.