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Hi :

Not trying to start a flame thread here, just an observation. I've 
been slowly programming a bunch of my JP-6 sounds into my rev. 5 MKS-
80 and a few things have come up :

1) I can't seem to get anywhere near the same range out of the VCO 
mod section on the MKS as the JP-6 gets. It seems to be almost a full 
octave less.
2) The XMOD seems to be acting the same way. On my JP-6, I can XMOD 
VCO 1 to match pitch with VCO 2 even when tuned a full octave lower. 
The MKS only works as far as a fifth lower.
3) I have not yet been successful in getting similar-sounding 
envelopes on both machines. The JP's seem "smoother", especially in 
the transition between Attack and Decay.
4) The "wide" bend setting on the MKS is also nowhere near as wide as 
that of the JP-6.

I've just recently calibrated the JP-6, and the MKS had the same 
treatment less than 6 months ago.

Anyone else notice things like this?

Thanks,
Adam

On Feb 12, 2004, at 3:25 PM, Roland_Jupiters@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Not trying to start a flame thread here, just an observation. I've
> been slowly programming a bunch of my JP-6 sounds into my rev. 5 MKS-
> 80 and a few things have come up :

Yes, I've always said that all of the Jupiter's are unique in their 
abilities.
None of them will sound exactly like the other.
To me the Jupiter 6 has the most edge to it and the Jupiter 8  is the 
smoothest.
The MKS-80 is somewhere in between  the two.
The Jupiter 4 has a sound that I'd describe as Pure.

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Without an MKS-80 to compare it to, my JP-6 would have to be 
every bit as versatile as I would want it to be, because of one 
thing it has that the MKS nor the JP-8 have. The multimode filter. 
The band- highpass filters available allows for many more 
interesting sounds, I think.--- In 
Roland_Jupiters@yahoogroups.com, "asemcken" 
<asemcken@y...> wrote:
> Hi :
> 
> Not trying to start a flame thread here, just an observation. I've 
> been slowly programming a bunch of my JP-6 sounds into my 
rev. 5 MKS-
> 80 and a few things have come up :
> 
> 1) I can't seem to get anywhere near the same range out of the 
VCO 
> mod section on the MKS as the JP-6 gets. It seems to be 
almost a full 
> octave less.
> 2) The XMOD seems to be acting the same way. On my JP-6, I 
can XMOD 
> VCO 1 to match pitch with VCO 2 even when tuned a full octave 
lower. 
> The MKS only works as far as a fifth lower.
> 3) I have not yet been successful in getting similar-sounding 
> envelopes on both machines. The JP's seem "smoother", 
especially in 
> the transition between Attack and Decay.
> 4) The "wide" bend setting on the MKS is also nowhere near 
as wide as 
> that of the JP-6.
> 
> I've just recently calibrated the JP-6, and the MKS had the 
same 

> treatment less than 6 months ago.
> 
> Anyone else notice things like this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Adam

Since I first posted, I've done a bit more fiddling to determine that 
my JP-6 has nearly seven octaves of VCO mod range on both the ENV-1 
and LFO sliders, prior to the "WIDE" setting on the bender board. Is 
there anything else that can go that wide? Without a frequency 
counter, I can't determine just how far the combination of max VCO 
mod and max bend goes. Suffice to say that I can't hear it anymore, 
even with VCO1 set at 32C. I can't seem to get nearly that amount out 
of the MKS-80. I agree that the MM VCF is probably one of the coolest 
things going, but I still miss the 2-pole lowpass sparkle my OB-8 
had. Some of the VA's can do a decent job emulating it, but the JP-8 
owners really have a cool thing in the 2-pole switch.

--- In Roland_Jupiters@yahoogroups.com, "modorange333" 
<modorange333@y...> wrote:
> Without an MKS-80 to compare it to, my JP-6 would have to be 
> every bit as versatile as I would want it to be, because of one 
> thing it has that the MKS nor the JP-8 have. The multimode filter. 
> The band- highpass filters available allows for many more 
> interesting sounds, I think.--- In 
> Roland_Jupiters@yahoogroups.com, "asemcken" 
> <asemcken@y...> wrote:
> > Hi :
> > 
> > Not trying to start a flame thread here, just an observation. 
I've 

> > been slowly programming a bunch of my JP-6 sounds into my 
> rev. 5 MKS-
> > 80 and a few things have come up :
> > 
> > 1) I can't seem to get anywhere near the same range out of the 
> VCO 
> > mod section on the MKS as the JP-6 gets. It seems to be 
> almost a full 
> > octave less.
> > 2) The XMOD seems to be acting the same way. On my JP-6, I 
> can XMOD 
> > VCO 1 to match pitch with VCO 2 even when tuned a full octave 
> lower. 
> > The MKS only works as far as a fifth lower.
> > 3) I have not yet been successful in getting similar-sounding 
> > envelopes on both machines. The JP's seem "smoother", 
> especially in 
> > the transition between Attack and Decay.
> > 4) The "wide" bend setting on the MKS is also nowhere near 
> as wide as 
> > that of the JP-6.
> > 
> > I've just recently calibrated the JP-6, and the MKS had the 
> same 
> > treatment less than 6 months ago.
> > 
> > Anyone else notice things like this?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Adam

Yeah, I'll go along with that. The Oberheim 2-pole sound is 
certainly hard to acheive with a 4-pole LP filter. 

In Roland_Jupiters@yahoogroups.com, "asemcken" 
<asemcken@y...> wrote:
> Since I first posted, I've done a bit more fiddling to determine 
that 
> my JP-6 has nearly seven octaves of VCO mod range on both 
the ENV-1 
> and LFO sliders, prior to the "WIDE" setting on the bender 
board. Is 
> there anything else that can go that wide? Without a frequency 
> counter, I can't determine just how far the combination of max 
VCO 
> mod and max bend goes. Suffice to say that I can't hear it 
anymore, 
> even with VCO1 set at 32C. I can't seem to get nearly that 
amount out 
> of the MKS-80. I agree that the MM VCF is probably one of the 
coolest 
> things going, but I still miss the 2-pole lowpass sparkle my 
OB-8 
> had. Some of the VA's can do a decent job emulating it, but the 
JP-8 
> owners really have a cool thing in the 2-pole switch.
> 
> --- In Roland_Jupiters@yahoogroups.com, "modorange333" 
> <modorange333@y...> wrote:
> > Without an MKS-80 to compare it to, my JP-6 would have to 
be 
> > every bit as versatile as I would want it to be, because of one 
> > thing it has that the MKS nor the JP-8 have. The multimode 
filter. 
> > The band- highpass filters available allows for many more 
> > interesting sounds, I think.--- In 
> > Roland_Jupiters@yahoogroups.com, "asemcken" 
> > <asemcken@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi :
> > > 
> > > Not trying to start a flame thread here, just an observation. 
> I've 
> > > been slowly programming a bunch of my JP-6 sounds into 
my 
> > rev. 5 MKS-
> > > 80 and a few things have come up :
> > > 
> > > 1) I can't seem to get anywhere near the same range out of 
the 
> > VCO 
> > > mod section on the MKS as the JP-6 gets. It seems to be 
> > almost a full 
> > > octave less.
> > > 2) The XMOD seems to be acting the same way. On my 
JP-6, I 
> > can XMOD 
> > > VCO 1 to match pitch with VCO 2 even when tuned a full 
octave 
> > lower. 
> > > The MKS only works as far as a fifth lower.
> > > 3) I have not yet been successful in getting 
similar-sounding 
> > > envelopes on both machines. The JP's seem "smoother", 
> > especially in 
> > > the transition between Attack and Decay.
> > > 4) The "wide" bend setting on the MKS is also nowhere 
near 

> > as wide as 
> > > that of the JP-6.
> > > 
> > > I've just recently calibrated the JP-6, and the MKS had the 
> > same 
> > > treatment less than 6 months ago.
> > > 
> > > Anyone else notice things like this?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Adam