SergeModular

I see now. Yes, this does work for percussive type envelopes.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: James R. Coplin [mailto:moog@...]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:36 PM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
>
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> That's why I said to use the regular outputs not the gate out! With a zero
> rise time the leading edge is fast enough to trigger the input of the
> other
> half of the USG without having to mess with an inverter for the gate!
>
> True, it isn't as steep as the gate but from looking at it on a scope it
> is
> fast enough that I doubt it would matter for things like enveloping. I
> certainly can't hear a difference even at really high rates. Others
> applications this might become critical. Using the gate and an inverter
> "strictly" is more correct but I think you generally can save patching by
> using the pulse generated from the outputs rather than needing the gate
> without loosing anything as the rise time is sufficiently fast.
>
> James R. Coplin
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:20 PM
> > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >
> > Without the inverting/bias stage this results in a gate voltage that is
> > high 99% of the time, rather than low.
> >
> > John Loffink
> > The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: James R. Coplin [mailto:moog@...]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:53 PM
> > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > >
> > > The main problem is trying to change the clock as a gate stream to a
> > pulse
> > > stream to avoid the sustain stage of the USG. I just took the gates
> from
> > > the
> > > clock or whatever into the trigger in on one part of the USG with the
> > > attack
> > > and decay set to zero. Take the output of this input the input of the
> > > other
> > > part of the USG and set your slopes accordingly. The attack time of
> the
> > > first usg seemed plenty fast to not have to use the gate and go
> through
> > an
> > > inverter etc. Any objections to this approach?
> > >
> > > As an aside, if you are using the USGs as a envelope with a sustain
> > stage,
> > > the level of the sustain is equal to the voltage present at the input.
> > > Sticking an attenuator on your gates gives nice control of the height.
> > I'm
> > > particularly fond of running the gates through a vca of some sort
> using
> > a
> > > sin to set the envelope height.
> > >
> > > Another good USG envelope trick is to use you sequencer outs to
> control
> > > "chains" of sustain stages for more complex envelope shapes!
> > >
> > > I probably should invest in a whole panel of USGs at some point as
> they
> > > are
> > > by far my favorite module on the whole planet in any system!
> > >
> > > James R. Coplin
> > > ***************
> > > If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> > > simply tell them i've gone out the window
> > > for a spot of tea and am not
> > > expected back any time soon.
> > > ***************
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:28 PM
> > > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > > >
> > > > Here's the patch. It will take two stages of a DTG or DSG with the
> > post
> > > > 1994 GATE OUTs as opposed to the old END out, as well as a scaling
> > > > processor
> > > > stage.
> > > >
> > > > GATE to TRIG IN on first DSG stage, set Rise/Fall to short values.
> > GATE
> > > > OUT
> > > > gives an inverted trigger.
> > > >
> > > > GATE OUT of first DSG stage to Scaling Processor INPUT2, Bias with
> +5V
> > > on
> > > > Input 1 and full invert of INPUT2 (you could also use a Dual
> > Processor).
> > > > This gives a positive biased trigger.
> > > >
> > > > OUTPUT of Scaling Processor to second DSG stage INPUT. OUTPUT is
> your
> > > > triggered AD. Set Rise and Fall to taste, but if Fall exceeds the
> > time
> > > > between GATES then you'll get envelopes that retrigger at the
> falling
> > > > slope
> > > > point, which is normal retriggerable envelope action.
> > > >
> > > > John Loffink
> > > > The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > > > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > > > The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > > > http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: cuari7 [mailto:medejd@...]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:47 PM
> > > > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually feeding the gate into the input jack gives you
> > > > > an "attack/release envelope, with sustain that is present for as
> > > > > long as the key is depressed (so its actually an
> > > > > attack/sustain/release envelope). What I want is something that
> will
> > > > > allow me to get attack/release (up/down) even if I keep pressing
> the
> > > > > key. This is excellent for percussive, staccatto notes. I know of
> at
> > > > > least 2 synths which allow this option: the Moog Sonic Six and the
> > > > > Buchla 200 (the Quad Function generator). They lett you choose
> > > > > between A/D or A/R envelopes.
> > > > > To better understand what I mean, take a conventional ADSR, the
> > > > > program the following: Attack time: 0, Decay time: 50%, Sustain:
> 0,
> > > > > Release time: 0. This gives you nice percussive notes (keep in
> mind
> > > > > I don't use sequencers; only keyboards and body appendages ;-
> D...).
> > > > > So, any ideas?
> > > > > I kow there's a modification for the MOTM lag processor which
> allows
> > > > > the same options (making it a VC-AD/AR EG. Kewl!!).
> > > > > I just wish somebody came up with an idea to do the same for the
> > > > > DSG. It would make it the PERFECT module!!
> > > > >
> > > > > cuari7
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> > > > > PS: Panel still FS....
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