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> There are 12 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. a Serge patch: "Rainstick"
> From: "johnrichoux" <jrichoux@...>
> 2. True AD EG
> From: "cuari7" <medejd@...>
> 3. Re: True AD EG
> From: "kirkdegiorgio" <kirk.degiorgio@...>
> 4. Re: Re: True AD EG
> From: John P <johnp299792@...>
> 5. Re: True AD EG
> From: "cuari7" <medejd@...>
> 6. RE: Re: True AD EG
> From: "John Loffink" <jloffink@...>
> 7. RE: Re: True AD EG
> From: "James R. Coplin" <moog@...>
> 8. RE: Re: True AD EG
> From: "John Loffink" <jloffink@...>
> 9. RE: Re: True AD EG
> From: "James R. Coplin" <moog@...>
> 10. Re: Re: True AD EG
> From: John P <johnp299792@...>
> 11. RE: Re: True AD EG
> From: "James R. Coplin" <moog@...>
> 12. RE: Re: True AD EG
> From: "John Loffink" <jloffink@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:36:58 -0000
> From: "johnrichoux" <jrichoux@...>
> Subject: a Serge patch: "Rainstick"
>
> 9/10/04 SERGE PATCH: Rainstick
> This is a patch I've been working on for the last few months. I call it a rainstick, but it
> is
> capable of much more than that. I love the sound of rattles, shakes, scrapes, chimes
> along with others difficult to describe. I'm a sucker for ambient noise.
>
> Credit Where Credit Is Due Department: I got the inspiration for it from "North Twin" by
> Adham Shaikh & Tim Floyd. (on "Ambient Boxed" on Instinct Records) There are spots
> where the noise moves from running water to what sounds like a bag of rice being
> scattered on a hardwood floor to the sound of campfire to what sounds like boots walking
> through muddy slush. I assumed that it was all based on sampled sounds (and it could
> be; but who's going to spill rice on a hardwood floor?) Anyway, using this basic idea I
> have come very close to mimicking many of the ambient sounds on the track.
>
> The idea is a double band-passed, ring-modulated random pulse.
>
> Modules used:
> 1) random pulse generator with VC rate (RS or RVG)
> 2) slope generator to vary the pulse edge (DSG, DTG with inputs
> 3) resonant filter with bandpass output (VCFQ)
> 4) filter with bandpass output (I use a VCFS here)
> 5) sine oscillator (PCO or NTO)
> 6) ring modulator
>
> 1) Random Pulse --> Slope Gen Audio Input / Slope Gen Audio Out --> Filt1 Audio Input
> / Filt1 Bandpass --> Ring Mod Signal In
> 2) Osc Sin Wave --> Ring Mod Carrier In
> 3) Ring Mod Out --> Filt2 / Filt2 Bandpass --> Output
>
> The fun and the music results from changing:
> 1) the rate of the random pulse along with the rise and fall of the slope generator
> 2) the Q and cutoff of filter1
> 3) the pitch of the sine wave oscillator
> 4) the amount of ring modulation
>
> Various modulation schemes I have used:
> 1) TKB or any SEQ with ABCD outs
> 2) QUO or any envelope (with a little curve to it) shaping the random rate and slope
> 3) Send the random pulse to a pulse divider (PDIV) , send the divisions to various places
> 4) Same as (3), but mix (ACPR) the random pulse with a steady pulse (from a DTG). The
> steady clock can produce great rhythms, while a touch of the random adds spice.
>
> I hope someone finds this useful. It has been a lot of fun for me.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:14:00 -0000
> From: "cuari7" <medejd@...>
> Subject: True AD EG
>
> Anybody know of a way to turn a DSG/DTG into a true Attack/Decay EG?
> I don't mean what one can get by feeding a pulse/gate into
> the "trigger" input (the result of this is an AD envelope which
> unfortunately WON'T retrigger until it decays back to zero. I don't
> want this!!).
> I want the ability to have an AD EG that can be retriggered with any
> speed desired, without having to wait 'till it decays off.
> Anybody know anybody who can monkey with this thing and turn it into
> the above?
> Let me know.
> cuari7
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:28:12 -0000
> From: "kirkdegiorgio" <kirk.degiorgio@...>
> Subject: Re: True AD EG
>
> I get mine by feeding a gate into the INPUT jack instead of the TRIG jack...
>
> is this correct folks?
>
> any other methods...?
>
> KD
>
> > Anybody know of a way to turn a DSG/DTG into a true Attack/Decay EG?
> > I don't mean what one can get by feeding a pulse/gate into
> > the "trigger" input (the result of this is an AD envelope which
> > unfortunately WON'T retrigger until it decays back to zero. I don't
> > want this!!).
> > I want the ability to have an AD EG that can be retriggered with any
> > speed desired, without having to wait 'till it decays off.
> > Anybody know anybody who can monkey with this thing and turn it into
> > the above?
> > Let me know.
> > cuari7
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:08:12 -0500
> From: John P <johnp299792@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: True AD EG
>
> That's basically it as far as I know.
>
>
> kirkdegiorgio wrote:
>
> >I get mine by feeding a gate into the INPUT jack instead of the TRIG jack...
> >
> >is this correct folks?
> >
> >any other methods...?
> >
> >KD
> >
> >
> >
> >>Anybody know of a way to turn a DSG/DTG into a true Attack/Decay EG?
> >>I don't mean what one can get by feeding a pulse/gate into
> >>the "trigger" input (the result of this is an AD envelope which
> >>unfortunately WON'T retrigger until it decays back to zero. I don't
> >>want this!!).
> >>I want the ability to have an AD EG that can be retriggered with any
> >>speed desired, without having to wait 'till it decays off.
> >>Anybody know anybody who can monkey with this thing and turn it into
> >>the above?
> >>Let me know.
> >>cuari7
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> m/n/m/l
> surreal electronic music, sound, noise
> http://mnml.soulcatcher.net
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:46:41 -0000
> From: "cuari7" <medejd@...>
> Subject: Re: True AD EG
>
> Actually feeding the gate into the input jack gives you
> an "attack/release envelope, with sustain that is present for as
> long as the key is depressed (so its actually an
> attack/sustain/release envelope). What I want is something that will
> allow me to get attack/release (up/down) even if I keep pressing the
> key. This is excellent for percussive, staccatto notes. I know of at
> least 2 synths which allow this option: the Moog Sonic Six and the
> Buchla 200 (the Quad Function generator). They lett you choose
> between A/D or A/R envelopes.
> To better understand what I mean, take a conventional ADSR, the
> program the following: Attack time: 0, Decay time: 50%, Sustain: 0,
> Release time: 0. This gives you nice percussive notes (keep in mind
> I don't use sequencers; only keyboards and body appendages ;-D...).
> So, any ideas?
> I kow there's a modification for the MOTM lag processor which allows
> the same options (making it a VC-AD/AR EG. Kewl!!).
> I just wish somebody came up with an idea to do the same for the
> DSG. It would make it the PERFECT module!!
>
> cuari7
>
> PS: Panel still FS....
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:28:17 -0500
> From: "John Loffink" <jloffink@...>
> Subject: RE: Re: True AD EG
>
> Here's the patch. It will take two stages of a DTG or DSG with the post
> 1994 GATE OUTs as opposed to the old END out, as well as a scaling processor
> stage.
>
> GATE to TRIG IN on first DSG stage, set Rise/Fall to short values. GATE OUT
> gives an inverted trigger.
>
> GATE OUT of first DSG stage to Scaling Processor INPUT2, Bias with +5V on
> Input 1 and full invert of INPUT2 (you could also use a Dual Processor).
> This gives a positive biased trigger.
>
> OUTPUT of Scaling Processor to second DSG stage INPUT. OUTPUT is your
> triggered AD. Set Rise and Fall to taste, but if Fall exceeds the time
> between GATES then you'll get envelopes that retrigger at the falling slope
> point, which is normal retriggerable envelope action.
>
> John Loffink
> The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cuari7 [mailto:medejd@...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:47 PM
> > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >
> >
> > Actually feeding the gate into the input jack gives you
> > an "attack/release envelope, with sustain that is present for as
> > long as the key is depressed (so its actually an
> > attack/sustain/release envelope). What I want is something that will
> > allow me to get attack/release (up/down) even if I keep pressing the
> > key. This is excellent for percussive, staccatto notes. I know of at
> > least 2 synths which allow this option: the Moog Sonic Six and the
> > Buchla 200 (the Quad Function generator). They lett you choose
> > between A/D or A/R envelopes.
> > To better understand what I mean, take a conventional ADSR, the
> > program the following: Attack time: 0, Decay time: 50%, Sustain: 0,
> > Release time: 0. This gives you nice percussive notes (keep in mind
> > I don't use sequencers; only keyboards and body appendages ;-D...).
> > So, any ideas?
> > I kow there's a modification for the MOTM lag processor which allows
> > the same options (making it a VC-AD/AR EG. Kewl!!).
> > I just wish somebody came up with an idea to do the same for the
> > DSG. It would make it the PERFECT module!!
> >
> > cuari7
> >
> > PS: Panel still FS....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:53:05 -0500
> From: "James R. Coplin" <moog@...>
> Subject: RE: Re: True AD EG
>
> The main problem is trying to change the clock as a gate stream to a pulse
> stream to avoid the sustain stage of the USG. I just took the gates from the
> clock or whatever into the trigger in on one part of the USG with the attack
> and decay set to zero. Take the output of this input the input of the other
> part of the USG and set your slopes accordingly. The attack time of the
> first usg seemed plenty fast to not have to use the gate and go through an
> inverter etc. Any objections to this approach?
>
> As an aside, if you are using the USGs as a envelope with a sustain stage,
> the level of the sustain is equal to the voltage present at the input.
> Sticking an attenuator on your gates gives nice control of the height. I'm
> particularly fond of running the gates through a vca of some sort using a
> sin to set the envelope height.
>
> Another good USG envelope trick is to use you sequencer outs to control
> "chains" of sustain stages for more complex envelope shapes!
>
> I probably should invest in a whole panel of USGs at some point as they are
> by far my favorite module on the whole planet in any system!
>
> James R. Coplin
> ***************
> If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> simply tell them i've gone out the window
> for a spot of tea and am not
> expected back any time soon.
> ***************
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:28 PM
> > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >
> > Here's the patch. It will take two stages of a DTG or DSG with the post
> > 1994 GATE OUTs as opposed to the old END out, as well as a scaling
> > processor
> > stage.
> >
> > GATE to TRIG IN on first DSG stage, set Rise/Fall to short values. GATE
> > OUT
> > gives an inverted trigger.
> >
> > GATE OUT of first DSG stage to Scaling Processor INPUT2, Bias with +5V on
> > Input 1 and full invert of INPUT2 (you could also use a Dual Processor).
> > This gives a positive biased trigger.
> >
> > OUTPUT of Scaling Processor to second DSG stage INPUT. OUTPUT is your
> > triggered AD. Set Rise and Fall to taste, but if Fall exceeds the time
> > between GATES then you'll get envelopes that retrigger at the falling
> > slope
> > point, which is normal retriggerable envelope action.
> >
> > John Loffink
> > The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cuari7 [mailto:medejd@...]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:47 PM
> > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually feeding the gate into the input jack gives you
> > > an "attack/release envelope, with sustain that is present for as
> > > long as the key is depressed (so its actually an
> > > attack/sustain/release envelope). What I want is something that will
> > > allow me to get attack/release (up/down) even if I keep pressing the
> > > key. This is excellent for percussive, staccatto notes. I know of at
> > > least 2 synths which allow this option: the Moog Sonic Six and the
> > > Buchla 200 (the Quad Function generator). They lett you choose
> > > between A/D or A/R envelopes.
> > > To better understand what I mean, take a conventional ADSR, the
> > > program the following: Attack time: 0, Decay time: 50%, Sustain: 0,
> > > Release time: 0. This gives you nice percussive notes (keep in mind
> > > I don't use sequencers; only keyboards and body appendages ;-D...).
> > > So, any ideas?
> > > I kow there's a modification for the MOTM lag processor which allows
> > > the same options (making it a VC-AD/AR EG. Kewl!!).
> > > I just wish somebody came up with an idea to do the same for the
> > > DSG. It would make it the PERFECT module!!
> > >
> > > cuari7
> > >
> > > PS: Panel still FS....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Keep on Patchin'!
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:19:35 -0500
> From: "John Loffink" <jloffink@...>
> Subject: RE: Re: True AD EG
>
> Without the inverting/bias stage this results in a gate voltage that is
> high 99% of the time, rather than low.
>
> John Loffink
> The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James R. Coplin [mailto:moog@...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:53 PM
> > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >
> > The main problem is trying to change the clock as a gate stream to a pulse
> > stream to avoid the sustain stage of the USG. I just took the gates from
> > the
> > clock or whatever into the trigger in on one part of the USG with the
> > attack
> > and decay set to zero. Take the output of this input the input of the
> > other
> > part of the USG and set your slopes accordingly. The attack time of the
> > first usg seemed plenty fast to not have to use the gate and go through an
> > inverter etc. Any objections to this approach?
> >
> > As an aside, if you are using the USGs as a envelope with a sustain stage,
> > the level of the sustain is equal to the voltage present at the input.
> > Sticking an attenuator on your gates gives nice control of the height. I'm
> > particularly fond of running the gates through a vca of some sort using a
> > sin to set the envelope height.
> >
> > Another good USG envelope trick is to use you sequencer outs to control
> > "chains" of sustain stages for more complex envelope shapes!
> >
> > I probably should invest in a whole panel of USGs at some point as they
> > are
> > by far my favorite module on the whole planet in any system!
> >
> > James R. Coplin
> > ***************
> > If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> > simply tell them i've gone out the window
> > for a spot of tea and am not
> > expected back any time soon.
> > ***************
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:28 PM
> > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > >
> > > Here's the patch. It will take two stages of a DTG or DSG with the post
> > > 1994 GATE OUTs as opposed to the old END out, as well as a scaling
> > > processor
> > > stage.
> > >
> > > GATE to TRIG IN on first DSG stage, set Rise/Fall to short values. GATE
> > > OUT
> > > gives an inverted trigger.
> > >
> > > GATE OUT of first DSG stage to Scaling Processor INPUT2, Bias with +5V
> > on
> > > Input 1 and full invert of INPUT2 (you could also use a Dual Processor).
> > > This gives a positive biased trigger.
> > >
> > > OUTPUT of Scaling Processor to second DSG stage INPUT. OUTPUT is your
> > > triggered AD. Set Rise and Fall to taste, but if Fall exceeds the time
> > > between GATES then you'll get envelopes that retrigger at the falling
> > > slope
> > > point, which is normal retriggerable envelope action.
> > >
> > > John Loffink
> > > The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > > The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > > http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: cuari7 [mailto:medejd@...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:47 PM
> > > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Actually feeding the gate into the input jack gives you
> > > > an "attack/release envelope, with sustain that is present for as
> > > > long as the key is depressed (so its actually an
> > > > attack/sustain/release envelope). What I want is something that will
> > > > allow me to get attack/release (up/down) even if I keep pressing the
> > > > key. This is excellent for percussive, staccatto notes. I know of at
> > > > least 2 synths which allow this option: the Moog Sonic Six and the
> > > > Buchla 200 (the Quad Function generator). They lett you choose
> > > > between A/D or A/R envelopes.
> > > > To better understand what I mean, take a conventional ADSR, the
> > > > program the following: Attack time: 0, Decay time: 50%, Sustain: 0,
> > > > Release time: 0. This gives you nice percussive notes (keep in mind
> > > > I don't use sequencers; only keyboards and body appendages ;-D...).
> > > > So, any ideas?
> > > > I kow there's a modification for the MOTM lag processor which allows
> > > > the same options (making it a VC-AD/AR EG. Kewl!!).
> > > > I just wish somebody came up with an idea to do the same for the
> > > > DSG. It would make it the PERFECT module!!
> > > >
> > > > cuari7
> > > >
> > > > PS: Panel still FS....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Keep on Patchin'!
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Keep on Patchin'!
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:35:52 -0500
> From: "James R. Coplin" <moog@...>
> Subject: RE: Re: True AD EG
>
> That's why I said to use the regular outputs not the gate out! With a zero
> rise time the leading edge is fast enough to trigger the input of the other
> half of the USG without having to mess with an inverter for the gate!
>
> True, it isn't as steep as the gate but from looking at it on a scope it is
> fast enough that I doubt it would matter for things like enveloping. I
> certainly can't hear a difference even at really high rates. Others
> applications this might become critical. Using the gate and an inverter
> "strictly" is more correct but I think you generally can save patching by
> using the pulse generated from the outputs rather than needing the gate
> without loosing anything as the rise time is sufficiently fast.
>
> James R. Coplin
> ***************
> If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> simply tell them i've gone out the window
> for a spot of tea and am not
> expected back any time soon.
> ***************
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:20 PM
> > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >
> > Without the inverting/bias stage this results in a gate voltage that is
> > high 99% of the time, rather than low.
> >
> > John Loffink
> > The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: James R. Coplin [mailto:moog@...]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:53 PM
> > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > >
> > > The main problem is trying to change the clock as a gate stream to a
> > pulse
> > > stream to avoid the sustain stage of the USG. I just took the gates from
> > > the
> > > clock or whatever into the trigger in on one part of the USG with the
> > > attack
> > > and decay set to zero. Take the output of this input the input of the
> > > other
> > > part of the USG and set your slopes accordingly. The attack time of the
> > > first usg seemed plenty fast to not have to use the gate and go through
> > an
> > > inverter etc. Any objections to this approach?
> > >
> > > As an aside, if you are using the USGs as a envelope with a sustain
> > stage,
> > > the level of the sustain is equal to the voltage present at the input.
> > > Sticking an attenuator on your gates gives nice control of the height.
> > I'm
> > > particularly fond of running the gates through a vca of some sort using
> > a
> > > sin to set the envelope height.
> > >
> > > Another good USG envelope trick is to use you sequencer outs to control
> > > "chains" of sustain stages for more complex envelope shapes!
> > >
> > > I probably should invest in a whole panel of USGs at some point as they
> > > are
> > > by far my favorite module on the whole planet in any system!
> > >
> > > James R. Coplin
> > > ***************
> > > If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> > > simply tell them i've gone out the window
> > > for a spot of tea and am not
> > > expected back any time soon.
> > > ***************
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:28 PM
> > > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > > >
> > > > Here's the patch. It will take two stages of a DTG or DSG with the
> > post
> > > > 1994 GATE OUTs as opposed to the old END out, as well as a scaling
> > > > processor
> > > > stage.
> > > >
> > > > GATE to TRIG IN on first DSG stage, set Rise/Fall to short values.
> > GATE
> > > > OUT
> > > > gives an inverted trigger.
> > > >
> > > > GATE OUT of first DSG stage to Scaling Processor INPUT2, Bias with +5V
> > > on
> > > > Input 1 and full invert of INPUT2 (you could also use a Dual
> > Processor).
> > > > This gives a positive biased trigger.
> > > >
> > > > OUTPUT of Scaling Processor to second DSG stage INPUT. OUTPUT is your
> > > > triggered AD. Set Rise and Fall to taste, but if Fall exceeds the
> > time
> > > > between GATES then you'll get envelopes that retrigger at the falling
> > > > slope
> > > > point, which is normal retriggerable envelope action.
> > > >
> > > > John Loffink
> > > > The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > > > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > > > The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > > > http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: cuari7 [mailto:medejd@...]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:47 PM
> > > > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually feeding the gate into the input jack gives you
> > > > > an "attack/release envelope, with sustain that is present for as
> > > > > long as the key is depressed (so its actually an
> > > > > attack/sustain/release envelope). What I want is something that will
> > > > > allow me to get attack/release (up/down) even if I keep pressing the
> > > > > key. This is excellent for percussive, staccatto notes. I know of at
> > > > > least 2 synths which allow this option: the Moog Sonic Six and the
> > > > > Buchla 200 (the Quad Function generator). They lett you choose
> > > > > between A/D or A/R envelopes.
> > > > > To better understand what I mean, take a conventional ADSR, the
> > > > > program the following: Attack time: 0, Decay time: 50%, Sustain: 0,
> > > > > Release time: 0. This gives you nice percussive notes (keep in mind
> > > > > I don't use sequencers; only keyboards and body appendages ;-D...).
> > > > > So, any ideas?
> > > > > I kow there's a modification for the MOTM lag processor which allows
> > > > > the same options (making it a VC-AD/AR EG. Kewl!!).
> > > > > I just wish somebody came up with an idea to do the same for the
> > > > > DSG. It would make it the PERFECT module!!
> > > > >
> > > > > cuari7
> > > > >
> > > > > PS: Panel still FS....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> ________________________________________________________________________
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>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:55:29 -0500
> From: John P <johnp299792@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: True AD EG
>
> Using the regular output is fine for percussive (fast) attacks, but what
> if you want to do the same thing with longer attacks? The solution
> would seem to be to use the Loffink's gate & inverter method. For the
> inverter you could use just about anything, incl the BLOG inverter.
> The attack & decay time of DSG #1 in the chain would have to be longer
> also to 'feed' the attack buildup of DSG #2. For added fun, VC the
> attack & decay times of DSG #1.
> In this case, I think the DSG #1 would be called a 'one-shot': hit it
> with a pulse and it gives you one pulse out, with 'on' time you can vary
> if you want.
>
> James R. Coplin wrote:
>
> >That's why I said to use the regular outputs not the gate out! With a zero
> >rise time the leading edge is fast enough to trigger the input of the other
> >half of the USG without having to mess with an inverter for the gate!
> >
> >True, it isn't as steep as the gate but from looking at it on a scope it is
> >fast enough that I doubt it would matter for things like enveloping. I
> >certainly can't hear a difference even at really high rates. Others
> >applications this might become critical. Using the gate and an inverter
> >"strictly" is more correct but I think you generally can save patching by
> >using the pulse generated from the outputs rather than needing the gate
> >without loosing anything as the rise time is sufficiently fast.
> >
> >James R. Coplin
> >***************
> >If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> >simply tell them i've gone out the window
> >for a spot of tea and am not
> >expected back any time soon.
> >***************
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> >>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:20 PM
> >>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >>
> >>Without the inverting/bias stage this results in a gate voltage that is
> >>high 99% of the time, rather than low.
> >>
> >>John Loffink
> >>The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> >>http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> >>The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> >>http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: James R. Coplin [mailto:moog@...]
> >>>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:53 PM
> >>>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> >>>Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >>>
> >>>The main problem is trying to change the clock as a gate stream to a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>pulse
> >>
> >>
> >>>stream to avoid the sustain stage of the USG. I just took the gates from
> >>>the
> >>>clock or whatever into the trigger in on one part of the USG with the
> >>>attack
> >>>and decay set to zero. Take the output of this input the input of the
> >>>other
> >>>part of the USG and set your slopes accordingly. The attack time of the
> >>>first usg seemed plenty fast to not have to use the gate and go through
> >>>
> >>>
> >>an
> >>
> >>
> >>>inverter etc. Any objections to this approach?
> >>>
> >>>As an aside, if you are using the USGs as a envelope with a sustain
> >>>
> >>>
> >>stage,
> >>
> >>
> >>>the level of the sustain is equal to the voltage present at the input.
> >>>Sticking an attenuator on your gates gives nice control of the height.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I'm
> >>
> >>
> >>>particularly fond of running the gates through a vca of some sort using
> >>>
> >>>
> >>a
> >>
> >>
> >>>sin to set the envelope height.
> >>>
> >>>Another good USG envelope trick is to use you sequencer outs to control
> >>>"chains" of sustain stages for more complex envelope shapes!
> >>>
> >>>I probably should invest in a whole panel of USGs at some point as they
> >>>are
> >>>by far my favorite module on the whole planet in any system!
> >>>
> >>>James R. Coplin
> >>>***************
> >>>If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> >>>simply tell them i've gone out the window
> >>>for a spot of tea and am not
> >>>expected back any time soon.
> >>>***************
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> >>>>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:28 PM
> >>>>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >>>>
> >>>>Here's the patch. It will take two stages of a DTG or DSG with the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>post
> >>
> >>
> >>>>1994 GATE OUTs as opposed to the old END out, as well as a scaling
> >>>>processor
> >>>>stage.
> >>>>
> >>>>GATE to TRIG IN on first DSG stage, set Rise/Fall to short values.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>GATE
> >>
> >>
> >>>>OUT
> >>>>gives an inverted trigger.
> >>>>
> >>>>GATE OUT of first DSG stage to Scaling Processor INPUT2, Bias with +5V
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>on
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Input 1 and full invert of INPUT2 (you could also use a Dual
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>Processor).
> >>
> >>
> >>>>This gives a positive biased trigger.
> >>>>
> >>>>OUTPUT of Scaling Processor to second DSG stage INPUT. OUTPUT is your
> >>>>triggered AD. Set Rise and Fall to taste, but if Fall exceeds the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>time
> >>
> >>
> >>>>between GATES then you'll get envelopes that retrigger at the falling
> >>>>slope
> >>>>point, which is normal retriggerable envelope action.
> >>>>
> >>>>John Loffink
> >>>>The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> >>>>http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> >>>>The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> >>>>http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: cuari7 [mailto:medejd@...]
> >>>>>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:47 PM
> >>>>>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>>Subject: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Actually feeding the gate into the input jack gives you
> >>>>>an "attack/release envelope, with sustain that is present for as
> >>>>>long as the key is depressed (so its actually an
> >>>>>attack/sustain/release envelope). What I want is something that will
> >>>>>allow me to get attack/release (up/down) even if I keep pressing the
> >>>>>key. This is excellent for percussive, staccatto notes. I know of at
> >>>>>least 2 synths which allow this option: the Moog Sonic Six and the
> >>>>>Buchla 200 (the Quad Function generator). They lett you choose
> >>>>>between A/D or A/R envelopes.
> >>>>>To better understand what I mean, take a conventional ADSR, the
> >>>>>program the following: Attack time: 0, Decay time: 50%, Sustain: 0,
> >>>>>Release time: 0. This gives you nice percussive notes (keep in mind
> >>>>>I don't use sequencers; only keyboards and body appendages ;-D...).
> >>>>>So, any ideas?
> >>>>>I kow there's a modification for the MOTM lag processor which allows
> >>>>>the same options (making it a VC-AD/AR EG. Kewl!!).
> >>>>>I just wish somebody came up with an idea to do the same for the
> >>>>>DSG. It would make it the PERFECT module!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>cuari7
> >>>>>
> >>>>>PS: Panel still FS....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Keep on Patchin'!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Keep on Patchin'!
> >>>>
> >>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Keep on Patchin'!
> >>>
> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:34:22 -0500
> From: "James R. Coplin" <moog@...>
> Subject: RE: Re: True AD EG
>
> OK, how about this then? ;)
>
> You can take the output of the first section in the USG into the VC of
> itself and set the VC control all the way left and set to modify the rise
> time. This will still create a fast enough rising edge to trigger the input
> section of the other half of the USG. Adjust the rise time on the first half
> to taste as you would with the inverter. The VC adjustment makes the rise
> time an extremely rounded squared off wave. This allows for long attack
> times except in cases where very long attack times are needed.
>
> Inverters? We don't need no stinking inverters!
>
> James (Who is always short of inverters) Coplin
> ***************
> If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> simply tell them i've gone out the window
> for a spot of tea and am not
> expected back any time soon.
> ***************
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John P [mailto:johnp299792@...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:55 PM
> > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >
> > Using the regular output is fine for percussive (fast) attacks, but what
> > if you want to do the same thing with longer attacks? The solution
> > would seem to be to use the Loffink's gate & inverter method. For the
> > inverter you could use just about anything, incl the BLOG inverter.
> > The attack & decay time of DSG #1 in the chain would have to be longer
> > also to 'feed' the attack buildup of DSG #2. For added fun, VC the
> > attack & decay times of DSG #1.
> > In this case, I think the DSG #1 would be called a 'one-shot': hit it
> > with a pulse and it gives you one pulse out, with 'on' time you can vary
> > if you want.
> >
> > James R. Coplin wrote:
> >
> > >That's why I said to use the regular outputs not the gate out! With a
> > zero
> > >rise time the leading edge is fast enough to trigger the input of the
> > other
> > >half of the USG without having to mess with an inverter for the gate!
> > >
> > >True, it isn't as steep as the gate but from looking at it on a scope it
> > is
> > >fast enough that I doubt it would matter for things like enveloping. I
> > >certainly can't hear a difference even at really high rates. Others
> > >applications this might become critical. Using the gate and an inverter
> > >"strictly" is more correct but I think you generally can save patching by
> > >using the pulse generated from the outputs rather than needing the gate
> > >without loosing anything as the rise time is sufficiently fast.
> > >
> > >James R. Coplin
> > >***************
> > >If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> > >simply tell them i've gone out the window
> > >for a spot of tea and am not
> > >expected back any time soon.
> > >***************
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> > >>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:20 PM
> > >>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > >>Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > >>
> > >>Without the inverting/bias stage this results in a gate voltage that is
> > >>high 99% of the time, rather than low.
> > >>
> > >>John Loffink
> > >>The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > >>http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > >>The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > >>http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>From: James R. Coplin [mailto:moog@...]
> > >>>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:53 PM
> > >>>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > >>>
> > >>>The main problem is trying to change the clock as a gate stream to a
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>pulse
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>stream to avoid the sustain stage of the USG. I just took the gates
> > from
> > >>>the
> > >>>clock or whatever into the trigger in on one part of the USG with the
> > >>>attack
> > >>>and decay set to zero. Take the output of this input the input of the
> > >>>other
> > >>>part of the USG and set your slopes accordingly. The attack time of the
> > >>>first usg seemed plenty fast to not have to use the gate and go through
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>an
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>inverter etc. Any objections to this approach?
> > >>>
> > >>>As an aside, if you are using the USGs as a envelope with a sustain
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>stage,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>the level of the sustain is equal to the voltage present at the input.
> > >>>Sticking an attenuator on your gates gives nice control of the height.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>I'm
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>particularly fond of running the gates through a vca of some sort using
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>a
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>sin to set the envelope height.
> > >>>
> > >>>Another good USG envelope trick is to use you sequencer outs to control
> > >>>"chains" of sustain stages for more complex envelope shapes!
> > >>>
> > >>>I probably should invest in a whole panel of USGs at some point as they
> > >>>are
> > >>>by far my favorite module on the whole planet in any system!
> > >>>
> > >>>James R. Coplin
> > >>>***************
> > >>>If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> > >>>simply tell them i've gone out the window
> > >>>for a spot of tea and am not
> > >>>expected back any time soon.
> > >>>***************
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>>From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> > >>>>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:28 PM
> > >>>>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>>Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Here's the patch. It will take two stages of a DTG or DSG with the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>post
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>>1994 GATE OUTs as opposed to the old END out, as well as a scaling
> > >>>>processor
> > >>>>stage.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>GATE to TRIG IN on first DSG stage, set Rise/Fall to short values.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>GATE
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>>OUT
> > >>>>gives an inverted trigger.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>GATE OUT of first DSG stage to Scaling Processor INPUT2, Bias with +5V
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>on
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Input 1 and full invert of INPUT2 (you could also use a Dual
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>Processor).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>>This gives a positive biased trigger.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>OUTPUT of Scaling Processor to second DSG stage INPUT. OUTPUT is your
> > >>>>triggered AD. Set Rise and Fall to taste, but if Fall exceeds the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>time
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>>between GATES then you'll get envelopes that retrigger at the falling
> > >>>>slope
> > >>>>point, which is normal retriggerable envelope action.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>John Loffink
> > >>>>The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > >>>>http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > >>>>The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > >>>>http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>From: cuari7 [mailto:medejd@...]
> > >>>>>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:47 PM
> > >>>>>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>>>Subject: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Actually feeding the gate into the input jack gives you
> > >>>>>an "attack/release envelope, with sustain that is present for as
> > >>>>>long as the key is depressed (so its actually an
> > >>>>>attack/sustain/release envelope). What I want is something that will
> > >>>>>allow me to get attack/release (up/down) even if I keep pressing the
> > >>>>>key. This is excellent for percussive, staccatto notes. I know of at
> > >>>>>least 2 synths which allow this option: the Moog Sonic Six and the
> > >>>>>Buchla 200 (the Quad Function generator). They lett you choose
> > >>>>>between A/D or A/R envelopes.
> > >>>>>To better understand what I mean, take a conventional ADSR, the
> > >>>>>program the following: Attack time: 0, Decay time: 50%, Sustain: 0,
> > >>>>>Release time: 0. This gives you nice percussive notes (keep in mind
> > >>>>>I don't use sequencers; only keyboards and body appendages ;-D...).
> > >>>>>So, any ideas?
> > >>>>>I kow there's a modification for the MOTM lag processor which allows
> > >>>>>the same options (making it a VC-AD/AR EG. Kewl!!).
> > >>>>>I just wish somebody came up with an idea to do the same for the
> > >>>>>DSG. It would make it the PERFECT module!!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>cuari7
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>PS: Panel still FS....
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Keep on Patchin'!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Keep on Patchin'!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Keep on Patchin'!
> > >>>
> > >>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Keep on Patchin'!
> > >>
> > >>Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Keep on Patchin'!
> > >
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> >
> > --
> > m/n/m/l
> > surreal electronic music, sound, noise
> > http://mnml.soulcatcher.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
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> >
> >
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:53:29 -0500
> From: "John Loffink" <jloffink@...>
> Subject: RE: Re: True AD EG
>
> I see now. Yes, this does work for percussive type envelopes.
>
> John Loffink
> The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James R. Coplin [mailto:moog@...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:36 PM
> > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >
> >
> > That's why I said to use the regular outputs not the gate out! With a zero
> > rise time the leading edge is fast enough to trigger the input of the
> > other
> > half of the USG without having to mess with an inverter for the gate!
> >
> > True, it isn't as steep as the gate but from looking at it on a scope it
> > is
> > fast enough that I doubt it would matter for things like enveloping. I
> > certainly can't hear a difference even at really high rates. Others
> > applications this might become critical. Using the gate and an inverter
> > "strictly" is more correct but I think you generally can save patching by
> > using the pulse generated from the outputs rather than needing the gate
> > without loosing anything as the rise time is sufficiently fast.
> >
> > James R. Coplin
> > ***************
> > If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> > simply tell them i've gone out the window
> > for a spot of tea and am not
> > expected back any time soon.
> > ***************
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:20 PM
> > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > >
> > > Without the inverting/bias stage this results in a gate voltage that is
> > > high 99% of the time, rather than low.
> > >
> > > John Loffink
> > > The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > > The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > > http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: James R. Coplin [mailto:moog@...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:53 PM
> > > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > > >
> > > > The main problem is trying to change the clock as a gate stream to a
> > > pulse
> > > > stream to avoid the sustain stage of the USG. I just took the gates
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > clock or whatever into the trigger in on one part of the USG with the
> > > > attack
> > > > and decay set to zero. Take the output of this input the input of the
> > > > other
> > > > part of the USG and set your slopes accordingly. The attack time of
> > the
> > > > first usg seemed plenty fast to not have to use the gate and go
> > through
> > > an
> > > > inverter etc. Any objections to this approach?
> > > >
> > > > As an aside, if you are using the USGs as a envelope with a sustain
> > > stage,
> > > > the level of the sustain is equal to the voltage present at the input.
> > > > Sticking an attenuator on your gates gives nice control of the height.
> > > I'm
> > > > particularly fond of running the gates through a vca of some sort
> > using
> > > a
> > > > sin to set the envelope height.
> > > >
> > > > Another good USG envelope trick is to use you sequencer outs to
> > control
> > > > "chains" of sustain stages for more complex envelope shapes!
> > > >
> > > > I probably should invest in a whole panel of USGs at some point as
> > they
> > > > are
> > > > by far my favorite module on the whole planet in any system!
> > > >
> > > > James R. Coplin
> > > > ***************
> > > > If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> > > > simply tell them i've gone out the window
> > > > for a spot of tea and am not
> > > > expected back any time soon.
> > > > ***************
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:28 PM
> > > > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's the patch. It will take two stages of a DTG or DSG with the
> > > post
> > > > > 1994 GATE OUTs as opposed to the old END out, as well as a scaling
> > > > > processor
> > > > > stage.
> > > > >
> > > > > GATE to TRIG IN on first DSG stage, set Rise/Fall to short values.
> > > GATE
> > > > > OUT
> > > > > gives an inverted trigger.
> > > > >
> > > > > GATE OUT of first DSG stage to Scaling Processor INPUT2, Bias with
> > +5V
> > > > on
> > > > > Input 1 and full invert of INPUT2 (you could also use a Dual
> > > Processor).
> > > > > This gives a positive biased trigger.
> > > > >
> > > > > OUTPUT of Scaling Processor to second DSG stage INPUT. OUTPUT is
> > your
> > > > > triggered AD. Set Rise and Fall to taste, but if Fall exceeds the
> > > time
> > > > > between GATES then you'll get envelopes that retrigger at the
> > falling
> > > > > slope
> > > > > point, which is normal retriggerable envelope action.
> > > > >
> > > > > John Loffink
> > > > > The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > > > > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > > > > The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > > > > http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: cuari7 [mailto:medejd@...]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:47 PM
> > > > > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually feeding the gate into the input jack gives you
> > > > > > an "attack/release envelope, with sustain that is present for as
> > > > > > long as the key is depressed (so its actually an
> > > > > > attack/sustain/release envelope). What I want is something that
> > will
> > > > > > allow me to get attack/release (up/down) even if I keep pressing
> > the
> > > > > > key. This is excellent for percussive, staccatto notes. I know of
> > at
> > > > > > least 2 synths which allow this option: the Moog Sonic Six and the
> > > > > > Buchla 200 (the Quad Function generator). They lett you choose
> > > > > > between A/D or A/R envelopes.
> > > > > > To better understand what I mean, take a conventional ADSR, the
> > > > > > program the following: Attack time: 0, Decay time: 50%, Sustain:
> > 0,
> > > > > > Release time: 0. This gives you nice percussive notes (keep in
> > mind
> > > > > > I don't use sequencers; only keyboards and body appendages ;-
> > D...).
> > > > > > So, any ideas?
> > > > > > I kow there's a modification for the MOTM lag processor which
> > allows
> > > > > > the same options (making it a VC-AD/AR EG. Kewl!!).
> > > > > > I just wish somebody came up with an idea to do the same for the
> > > > > > DSG. It would make it the PERFECT module!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > cuari7
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS: Panel still FS....
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