SergeModular

--- In SergeModular@y..., ART Records <opart@d...> wrote:

>
> >>> I think Serge , EMS , Buchla ,Wiard etc. all employ & embody a
> >>> distinct personallity. sometimes expecting them to be jack of

all

> >>> trades , is knowing they'll be master of none . ?????
>
> >> Serge is so good I don't think it is too much to ask.
> >
> > I dont follow this logic....why should it be a carthorse &
> > racehorse ...why a Bentley & a mini-cooper ?
>
>
> I DO follow this logic - I think Chris is saying that he personally

would

> like something as high quality as Serge to do what most other high

quality

> 'products' do: they do the simple things extremely well.
>
> It's not something I am particularly bothered about - I like the

esoteric

> nature of the Serge - but the logic is quite simple.

I understand your "logic" , but I have difficulty expecting 100%
perfection in anything -by nature doesnt this mean it must be a jack
of all trades ?
I'm trying to think of something else manufactured (not just
synths )that display this perfection . A Bentley/Rolls Royce
certainly doesnt , ditto Ferrari et. This is why I wonder.........

>
>
> >> I enjoy using it so much I virtually use it for everything and
> > would hate to
> >> have to base every composition around the esoteric qualities

alone.

> >> It doesn't seem to me that difficult or expensive to introduce a
> > different
> >> sounding filter. Nobody has accused Wiard or Fenix of pandering

to

> > the Moog
> >> sound.
>
>
> I've said this before but its worth repeating - I'm glad the Serge

doesn't

> have a 'moog-style' filter... I like synths to have their own

individual

> character. My synths all have strong personalities that differ

strongly from

> each other - but then I am lucky enough to afford a Serge + other

gear.

>
> Impressed as I am by the recording I'm now listening to

(Subotnick's '4

> Butterflies') composed exclusively on a Buchla system, I could not

get by

> with just a Serge for my purposes. Admittedly I do use the Audio

Input of my

> Minimoog a lot for the Moog-filter sound but I still like my Serge

as it is.


Isnt it best this way ? It is the norm . You love your Mum cos shes
your Mum , but you dont expect her to be your girlfriend (I
hope)......Your comments make sense to me . I guess I still dont
understand that a Serge (say..) should have to be so "perfect" (in
everbodies eyes).

>
>
> > The Fenix sounds nothing like Moog stuff . The filters are all
> > differant to Moog standard.
>
>
> I don't think Chris was saying the Fenix does sound like Moog stuff.
>
>
> >> It comes up so often I guess the filter issue is now quite

tedious.

> >> On the other hand it seems to be (apart from prices) the
> > only 'weakness'
> >> anyone ever expresses about the system.

Really ? I must admit to "coveting" some of the simple Doepfer
modules that offer aspects of control Serge doesnt /course , works
both ways ......

>
>
> Chris - talking of 'weaknesses' I still think the

biggest 'weakness' is

> having to buy an entire panel at a time rather than individual

modules!


It's hard to argue with that . at least the panels are beautifull &
probably look better than seperate units ...of course this works both
ways ...

>
>
> > I find the filters to be versatile & usefull in ways an Oscar
> > (i.m.o. -better than the moog........) or other synths cannot

manage.

> > you cant have your cake & eat it....
>
>
> Well, I'm not going to say one filter type or synth is 'better'

than another

> but I do think the Serge filter is incredibly useful in 'trigger'

mode. I

> haven't ever had the chance to hear the 'percussion' mode on the

ARP 2500

> multimode filter or any other ringing filters - anybody like to

comment on

> any differences between the models using this particular feature??

I think the Fenix & other synths 'll do this (tho' not as wide
ranging in range) as well as the Serge .Feeding a narrow pulse into a
just resonating filter should work on lots of others . The Serge tho'
extends way lower frequency wise than most filters , and without the
wave corrupting/deteriorating.

>
> Is a ringing filter a ringing filter? or does the Serge VCFQ have a

wider

> range of perc sounds, etc, etc??
>
> >> I agree with those who point to everything else a Serge can do

but

> > it's not
> >> always possible to have thousands of dollars tied up in a cutting
> > edge,
> >> electronic sound machine. For the want of another filter it would
> > be easier
> >> to create run of the mill sounds as well.
>
> > Run of the mill ? you said it . Serge have very wisely I.M.O.

avoided

> > all the cliched moog/tb303 drivel .
>
> Surely most cliched music is drivel regardless of whether a Moog or

TB303

> was used?

AGAIN , i.m.o. - cliched/drivel are my thoughts from experience
with some of these over rated machines . I'm very happy for people to
like /use whatever suits them
, its just the hype attached that really needs
addressing ........mind you , who reely cares other than a few freeky
muzik peeple..........?



Let's not slag off certain types of sound or synths - its

> pointless. I love both these instruments in certain circumstances..

I did say , and mean , I.M.O................

>
> > I dont think history will be as
> > kind to Moog as he would have peeple beleeve.....I.M.O.
>
> Interesting... I am a huge fan of the classic Moog sound when

programmed by

> certain 'artists' but personally I was very disappointed with the
> Moogerfooger range design-wise. I just don't like the pedal format.

I think

> they have a good range of features and they are very reasonably

priced. I

> haven't heard them so I can't comment on the sound - but I wish

they had

> been made to fit in a modular panel format.

Yes .It would seem sensible to offer both versions ...

>
> It will be interesting to see what the forthcoming Big Briar

Performance

> Synth has in store...
>
> >> Why not? It's evident that Malcolm Cecil patched some simple

sounds

> >> occasionally on Tonto.....even using the odd Moog filter.
>
> Ahhh.. my favourite synth sound... especially in the hands of

Stevie...

> speaking of which, Subotnick's finished - time for Fulfillingness

First

> Finale...
>
> Kirk.