--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bill Sequeira <bill@...> wrote:
wouldn't let it happen again ;-)
I'll probably fix the panels into a case with screws using those black-plastic-cap-covered
holes on the sides of the panels.
because I want to carry a more powerful and complex instrument with me than I have so
far.
Out of curiosity, do you know the product number of your Zero case? It's too large for me,
but I'd be interested to see which series it's from.
For those looking for a case for four panels, the closest thing I could find in their catalog
is the 713X, which is 24x18x8.5 (and thus too large for carry-on, but it would hold two
panels in each shell nicely). I was looking at the 700 series because these have separable
hinges.
http://www.zerocases.com/resources/catalog/downloads/catalog_carrying.pdf
page 20
Thomas
>Sure, I passed out once during a gig and the audience thought that was cool too, but I
> If you are performing I would definitely choose mechanical rigidity
> over anything else - no question. Last thing you want in the middle
> of a show is to pull a cable and have the entire panel arrangement
> become undone. Although I am sure the audience would think it was
> cool, the electronic spaghetti! ;-)
wouldn't let it happen again ;-)
I'll probably fix the panels into a case with screws using those black-plastic-cap-covered
holes on the sides of the panels.
>Maybe I'll reach that level of simplicity some day, but for now the 4-panel Serge is there
> When mounting the panels into the Zero I used a layer of rug-gripping
> rubber (think this is what it is called - a semi-soft web-like
> rubbery material sold in rolls, used to prevent rugs from slipping on
> hardwood floors) between the panels - added foam on the top/bottom -
> when combined with the gripper rubber makes the fit tight enough that
> the panels won't come off easily even when pulling Pomonas. Gives a
> tighter fit than just using straight foam, but indeed it is not as
> strong as mounting directly on the case.
>
> The configuration that you propose should work fine - once encased it
> almost creates a cube. Toyed with that arrangement for a while and
> then gave up once my system got larger - from the pics I uploaded I
> divided my Serge system into three parts: a fixed studio (top
> panels), a semi-portable (Zero), and a travel system, an Animoo with
> TKB. These days two panels are enough for me.
because I want to carry a more powerful and complex instrument with me than I have so
far.
Out of curiosity, do you know the product number of your Zero case? It's too large for me,
but I'd be interested to see which series it's from.
For those looking for a case for four panels, the closest thing I could find in their catalog
is the 713X, which is 24x18x8.5 (and thus too large for carry-on, but it would hold two
panels in each shell nicely). I was looking at the 700 series because these have separable
hinges.
http://www.zerocases.com/resources/catalog/downloads/catalog_carrying.pdf
page 20
Thomas
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill
> __________________________________________
> Bill Sequeira, PHD - Principal
> Axon Hillock - http://www.axonhillock.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2007, at 6:57 PM, riluttante wrote:
>
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bill Sequeira <bill@> wrote:
> >>
> >> LOL!
> >>
> >> Never pictured you in the fridge business but it makes sense. ;-)
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > Thanks very much for uploading those detailed pictures. Looks
> > great, just how I imagined.
> >
> >>
> >> I have tried over the years to design a portable case and the
> >> showstopper has always been shock absorption. I concluded that I
> >> could have a lightweight case that required a heavy duty case for
> >> travel.
> >
> > On the other hand, I am a little unsure of how stable the solution
> > of squeezing the panels
> > into the suitcase with blocks of foam is. After a week or two of
> > messing around with my
> > new system, I find that it sometimes requires a LOT of pulling
> > strength to unplug a banana
> > cable. I'm a little concerned that with a case vertically mounted
> > and me frantically pulling
> > at patch cables during a gig, I'd pull the whole panel out.
> >
> > The shock absorption issue makes sense. On the other hand, I've
> > traveled widely with a
> > Doepfer A-100 (rack-mounted in one of their flightcases) and an EMS
> > Synthi A (fixed
> > inside the typical Synthi briefcase). Both of these synths are hard-
> > mounted inside their
> > cases without any shock absorption as far as I can tell, and I've
> > never had any problems
> > with them.
> > I'm tempted to sacrifice shock absorption for stability and have my
> > panels solidly fixed to
> > a custom flight case after all.
> > I guess the point is that I always handle the cases very carefully,
> > take them in my lap when
> > riding in a car, always take them with me as carry-on on airplanes
> > etc.
> >
> > I've uploaded two pictures of my four panels arranged the way I'll
> > be mounting them into a
> > case. If tightly packed together like this, two panels in each lid,
> > four of them will actually
> > fit as carry-on luggage on a plane!
> > They're in the "Four panels facing each other" album.
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> >>
> >> I guess it depends on how you view your system and cases in general -
> >> cases are either for transportation/protection or the case becomes an
> >> inherent part of the instrument. Think both views work together, but
> >> neither one can optimally supplant the other.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Bill
> >> __________________________________________
> >> Bill Sequeira, PHD - Principal
> >> Axon Hillock - http://www.axonhillock.com/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 29, 2007, at 8:55 PM, darkstr1746@ wrote:
> >>
> >>> another option would be to contact Maxxline cases in Wilsonville
> >>> Oregon. they make custom cases for just about every application
> >>> imaginable. At one time they made me a custom case that housed a PS
> >>> 6 and four panels complete with wiring harness. the PS was mounted
> >>> to the bottome of the case and the back cover had recessed
> >>> telescoping handle and the whole thing had wheels on the back. It
> >>> was pretty cool. It was also a total pig. The case weighed at least
> >>> four tijmes that of the panels and the PS combined. It was also
> >>> more than double the depth of the panels. It looked like a small
> >>> refrigerator. I really dug it although it was totaly absurd. I used
> >>> it for about a year. there are no pictures of it. I was too
> >>> embarassed to take pictures. everyone laughed and i don't blame
> >>> them.
> >>> so save your self a bunch of money and just wrap the panels up in a
> >>> beach towel and carry the PS in a suitcase. You'll be glad you
> >>> did. LOL
> >>> john d
> >>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >>> From: Bill Sequeira <bill@>
> >>>> Thank you - will try to upload some more pics in a couple of days
> >>>> showing how the panels fit together and the side foam.
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree that fixing the panels to the case would create too much
> >>>> of a
> >>>> shock transfer risk.
> >>>>
> >>>> On the other hand, portable in the Serge worlds means
> >>>> "portable". I
> >>>> would never think of it as traveling with a briefcase. :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Even my animoo/tkb combo is substantial once you add psu etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> I use a plain old canvas suitcase that is slightly bigger than the
> >>>> Zero when I need to move it, to prevent any unnecessary scratches.
> >>>>
> >>>> But if I was in a traveling band using the Serge, I would invest in
> >>>> an ATA case custom designed for the Zero - OR, have one custom
> >>>> designed to rack mount the panels. I love the look of the Zero
> >>>> so I
> >>>> did not entertain that option.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill
> >>>> __________________________________________
> >>>> Bill Sequeira, PHD - Principal
> >>>> Axon Hillock - http://www.axonhillock.com/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 29, 2007, at 6:34 AM, riluttante wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bill Sequeira <bill@> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There is an (older) picture of my system in Kevin Lightner's site
> >>>>>> under Serge Station
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.synthfool.com/sequeira.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Humble when compared to the Fist of God at its glorious peak.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Looks great
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I designed the stand so that the system could function as a
> >>>>>> studio
> >>>>>> system that could be split into a portable 8-panel system in a
> >>>>>> Zero
> >>>>>> case if I wanted to travel with it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You probably never took the 8-panel system on an airplane though,
> >>>>> right?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Since then the system has grown to a total of 16 panels, but
> >>>>>> ended up
> >>>>>> creating a mini-system out of a mod'ed animal/TKB, so now the
> >>>>>> stand
> >>>>>> is back to supporting 14-panels as in the picture.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Zero case system began its life as a 6-panel. The trick (per
> >>>>>> Rex's design) was to use thick foam to go around and in-between
> >>>>>> the 3-
> >>>>>> panels per side, the foam being a bit wider than the actual case
> >>>>>> (but
> >>>>>> not much) in order to create mechanical tension on the panel
> >>>>>> sides.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Right, that's what he suggested to me too. He'd basically squeeze
> >>>>> the panels in with foam
> >>>>> on all sides, and have the power harness run below/beside the
> >>>>> panels.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He didn't want to fix the panels to the case directly using screws
> >>>>> etc. because shocks to
> >>>>> the case would mechanically transfer to the circuit boards that
> >>>>> way, and presumably cause
> >>>>> more damage than when the panels are simply held in place by
> >>>>> blocks
> >>>>> of foam.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When I upgraded to 8-panels I did away with the horizontal foam
> >>>>>> between the modules and added a layer of non-slip rubber between
> >>>>>> panels to both protect and create pressure to keep the panels in
> >>>>>> tight.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mechanically it works OK as long as you are not attaching a
> >>>>>> banana
> >>>>>> cable to your truck's winch, although it is not quite as stable
> >>>>>> as if
> >>>>>> you were actually rackmounting the panels.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You do have to be careful with the distro cards - if you have too
> >>>>>> many oscillator panels that have two connectors (instead of the
> >>>>>> average one) you may require more than two distro cards - I was
> >>>>>> lucky
> >>>>>> and my configuration needed exactly two.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can upload more pics if any one is interested.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you have a chance, I'd love to see some more detailed pics of
> >>>>> the "travel" system and of
> >>>>> how the panels were/are mounted inside the case.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>> Thomas
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bill
> >>>>>> __________________________________________
> >>>>>> Bill Sequeira, PHD - Principal
> >>>>>> Axon Hillock - http://www.axonhillock.com/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jan 28, 2007, at 11:19 AM, darkstr1746@ wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm not understanding why you can't do four panels in a case
> >>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>> the one pictured at the link shown. I had a case like the one
> >>>>>>> shown. . .hell, that might even be a picture of the system i
> >>>>>>> had at
> >>>>>>> one time. It was an elegant solution although six panels was a
> >>>>>>> little heavy and not all that protable. Four panels in that
> >>>>>>> style
> >>>>>>> case should be just the thing. I'm also not understanding the
> >>>>>>> depth
> >>>>>>> problem unless your panels were not built with "transit" style
> >>>>>>> chassis in which case your out of luck. Period. Three panels
> >>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>> fit into a popup Gator case with the wiring harness ( if your
> >>>>>>> clever with mounting screws) but that doesn't solve your four
> >>>>>>> panel
> >>>>>>> problem. Keep searching for a Zero. . you'll find one sooner or
> >>>>>>> later. . . much later. LOL
> >>>>>>> kind regards
> >>>>>>> john duval
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
> >>>>>>> From: "riluttante" <riluttante@>
> >>>>>>> http://home.att.net/~djaux/Image28.gif
> >>>>>>> That's the only picture I know of too.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I spent a lot of time looking at Zero Halliburton specs and
> >>>>>>> talking
> >>>>>>> to Rex at STS about
> >>>>>>> having my four-panel system mounted inside one of these cases.
> >>>>>>> My idea was to put two panels in each half (like on the six-
> >>>>>>> panel
> >>>>>>> picture, which has three
> >>>>>>> panels per half), but very few, if any, of these cases have
> >>>>>>> halves
> >>>>>>> (shells) of equal depth.
> >>>>>>> My requirements were to fit the four panels in a case no larger
> >>>>>>> than the IATA standards for
> >>>>>>> airplane carry-on baggage. I expect to travel with my system
> >>>>>>> regularly, and there's no way
> >>>>>>> I'm checking it in. We couldn't find a case to fit four panels
> >>>>>>> without being unnecessarily
> >>>>>>> large though.
> >>>>>>> I'd be curious to see what your friend comes up with. I still
> >>>>>>> find
> >>>>>>> these Zero Halliburton
> >>>>>>> cases a very elegant solution.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thomas
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, JB <ringmodulator@> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Is this what you're after?
> >>>>>>>> http://home.att.net/~djaux/Image28.gif
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2007/1/25, Rick <echo7even@>:
> >>>>>>>>> trying to help a friend figure this out.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> any pics would be helpful
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> thanks
> >>>>>>>>> -r
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Keep on Patchin'!
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Keep on Patchin'!
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Bill Sequeira <bill@>
> >>> Date: January 29, 2007 6:39:25 PM PST
> >>> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [SergeModular] Re: Looking for pics of serge mounted
> >>> in Zero case
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you - will try to upload some more pics in a couple of days
> >>> showing how the panels fit together and the side foam.
> >>>
> >>> I agree that fixing the panels to the case would create too much
> >>> of a
> >>> shock transfer risk.
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand, portable in the Serge worlds means "portable". I
> >>> would never think of it as traveling with a briefcase. :-)
> >>>
> >>> Even my animoo/tkb combo is substantial once you add psu etc.
> >>>
> >>> I use a plain old canvas suitcase that is slightly bigger than the
> >>> Zero when I need to move it, to prevent any unnecessary scratches.
> >>>
> >>> But if I was in a traveling band using the Serge, I would invest in
> >>> an ATA case custom designed for the Zero - OR, have one custom
> >>> designed to rack mount the panels. I love the look of the Zero so I
> >>> did not entertain that option.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Bill
> >>> __________________________________________
> >>> Bill Sequeira, PHD - Principal
> >>> Axon Hillock - http://www.axonhillock.com/
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 29, 2007, at 6:34 AM, riluttante wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bill Sequeira <bill@> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is an (older) picture of my system in Kevin Lightner's site
> >>>>> under Serge Station
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.synthfool.com/sequeira.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Humble when compared to the Fist of God at its glorious peak.
> >>>>
> >>>> Looks great
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I designed the stand so that the system could function as a studio
> >>>>> system that could be split into a portable 8-panel system in a
> >>>>> Zero
> >>>>> case if I wanted to travel with it.
> >>>>
> >>>> You probably never took the 8-panel system on an airplane though,
> >>>> right?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Since then the system has grown to a total of 16 panels, but
> >>> ended up
> >>>>> creating a mini-system out of a mod'ed animal/TKB, so now the
> >>>>> stand
> >>>>> is back to supporting 14-panels as in the picture.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Zero case system began its life as a 6-panel. The trick (per
> >>>>> Rex's design) was to use thick foam to go around and in-between
> >>>>> the 3-
> >>>>> panels per side, the foam being a bit wider than the actual case
> >>> (but
> >>>>> not much) in order to create mechanical tension on the panel
> >>>>> sides.
> >>>>
> >>>> Right, that's what he suggested to me too. He'd basically squeeze
> >>>> the panels in with foam
> >>>> on all sides, and have the power harness run below/beside the
> >>> panels.
> >>>>
> >>>> He didn't want to fix the panels to the case directly using screws
> >>>> etc. because shocks to
> >>>> the case would mechanically transfer to the circuit boards that
> >>>> way, and presumably cause
> >>>> more damage than when the panels are simply held in place by blocks
> >>>> of foam.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When I upgraded to 8-panels I did away with the horizontal foam
> >>>>> between the modules and added a layer of non-slip rubber between
> >>>>> panels to both protect and create pressure to keep the panels in
> >>>>> tight.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mechanically it works OK as long as you are not attaching a banana
> >>>>> cable to your truck's winch, although it is not quite as stable
> >>> as if
> >>>>> you were actually rackmounting the panels.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You do have to be careful with the distro cards - if you have too
> >>>>> many oscillator panels that have two connectors (instead of the
> >>>>> average one) you may require more than two distro cards - I was
> >>> lucky
> >>>>> and my configuration needed exactly two.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can upload more pics if any one is interested.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have a chance, I'd love to see some more detailed pics of
> >>>> the "travel" system and of
> >>>> how the panels were/are mounted inside the case.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks!
> >>>> Thomas
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bill
> >>>>> __________________________________________
> >>>>> Bill Sequeira, PHD - Principal
> >>>>> Axon Hillock - http://www.axonhillock.com/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 28, 2007, at 11:19 AM, darkstr1746@ wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm not understanding why you can't do four panels in a case like
> >>>>>> the one pictured at the link shown. I had a case like the one
> >>>>>> shown. . .hell, that might even be a picture of the system i
> >>> had at
> >>>>>> one time. It was an elegant solution although six panels was a
> >>>>>> little heavy and not all that protable. Four panels in that style
> >>>>>> case should be just the thing. I'm also not understanding the
> >>> depth
> >>>>>> problem unless your panels were not built with "transit" style
> >>>>>> chassis in which case your out of luck. Period. Three panels will
> >>>>>> fit into a popup Gator case with the wiring harness ( if your
> >>>>>> clever with mounting screws) but that doesn't solve your four
> >>> panel
> >>>>>> problem. Keep searching for a Zero. . you'll find one sooner or
> >>>>>> later. . . much later. LOL
> >>>>>> kind regards
> >>>>>> john duval
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
> >>>>>> From: "riluttante" <riluttante@>
> >>>>>> http://home.att.net/~djaux/Image28.gif
> >>>>>> That's the only picture I know of too.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I spent a lot of time looking at Zero Halliburton specs and
> >>> talking
> >>>>>> to Rex at STS about
> >>>>>> having my four-panel system mounted inside one of these cases.
> >>>>>> My idea was to put two panels in each half (like on the six-panel
> >>>>>> picture, which has three
> >>>>>> panels per half), but very few, if any, of these cases have
> >>>>>> halves
> >>>>>> (shells) of equal depth.
> >>>>>> My requirements were to fit the four panels in a case no larger
> >>>>>> than the IATA standards for
> >>>>>> airplane carry-on baggage. I expect to travel with my system
> >>>>>> regularly, and there's no way
> >>>>>> I'm checking it in. We couldn't find a case to fit four panels
> >>>>>> without being unnecessarily
> >>>>>> large though.
> >>>>>> I'd be curious to see what your friend comes up with. I still
> >>>>>> find
> >>>>>> these Zero Halliburton
> >>>>>> cases a very elegant solution.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thomas
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, JB <ringmodulator@> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is this what you're after?
> >>>>>>> http://home.att.net/~djaux/Image28.gif
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2007/1/25, Rick <echo7even@>:
> >>>>>>>> trying to help a friend figure this out.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> any pics would be helpful
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> thanks
> >>>>>>>> -r
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Keep on Patchin'!
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