SergeModular

--- In SergeModular@y..., "Sebastian Kuehnl" <skuehnl@y...> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Papiewski" <johnp@w...>
> To: "Serge Modular" <SergeModular@y...>
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 4:09 PM
> Subject: [SergeModular] That 24db/octave thing...
>
>
> : Hi all,
> :
> : There's that contributed article on Egres I posted a long time

ago,

> : about putting 2 VCFQ's in series.
> : I have only one vcfq in my system so I tried it by combining my

system

> : with a couple others, I never actually got any interesting

results. I

> : think I was doing it right.
> : Has anybody else tried this? If it turns out this thing is a

crock then

> : I'll remove the article.
> :
> : Thanks
> :
> : JP
>
>
> About the 24dB module suggestions, I wanted to remind that all the

things

> like 24dB lowpass, variable slope, variable bandwidth (VCF2: 2

coupled 6dB

> lo/hi filters anyway) and formants can be done with two combined

VCFQ(X). So

> my personal suggestion to Bill (and anyone else who wants to start

with a

> small system) would be to start with two VCFQ(X) and buy the more

special

> ones with the next upgrade.
>
> However, now I'm not so sure about this anymore - John, maybe the

filters in

> the systems you combined differed too much? They should be

identical really,

> for the res loop. In general, only few filters sound good in

series - I know

> only the Sherman, the MS20 and the related Borg (very low noise),

which do

> sound good (formant sounds) even resonating in open loop. The Moog

904 does

> not, I think (it does in coupled mode). Generally, cleaner sounding

filters

> just might not do it... I have to little experience with such.

Dunno if its too off subject , but the OSCar filter is 2 x 12 db per
oct. filters ,with seperation control , resonance & filter drive
level .(I'm sure everyone is aware how critical the drive level is to
any filters operation ).The OSCar filter is a beauty .I.M.O one of
the best .I think the Wasp may be similar , without the seperation
control , and those synths are death on 2 batteries -pity they're so
flakey....
The Fenix filters 1 & 2also work very nicely together , but are
identical units .Funnily enough , it appears the two 12 db per o
filters sound sexier than the (5 pole ?) 24 db per oct. filter 3
(Chris Whitten seemed to agree on the better feel of these ,
supposedly weaker filters).
The other usefull aspect about the Fenix is the resonance is the
most finely settable and usable designs I've ever seen . the control
over the amount/response of the resonance is very slinky & very happy
to oblige in any way it can.
EMS filters also sound rather nice in series , but the filters on
all the synthis I have are slightly differant . If the right 2 are
used , beautifull results with 36 db for the first octave , 24 db per
octave below that cut off filter effects ensue...........

On the Serge issue . I dont think that two Serge vcfq's will do
the "sound" I suspect people are looking for .I think it will have a
beautifully precise sound , and be very capable of hi-fi subtle
filtering , but I dont think it'll ever have the "meaty/fat/phunky
sound of some other machines. I'd say this of the EMS stuff
too .However , I'm not sure it's totally down to the filter
itself......
P.K.

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