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serge Dual Phaser vs Frequency Shifter ?

2009-02-04 by zaum

>
> I have had a few frequency shifters in different formats and really
> like setting them for really slow modulations and output the up and
> down shifts fully panned left and right. sometimes this can create
> really nice slow panning/shifting effects. I've never really cared
> much for the high frequency ring modulator like sounds.

Wow, that's pretty uncommon considering there aren't that many
different ones (let alone good ones) out there.
But yes, some of the more interesting sounds come from small changing
shifts with feedback.

I have the external carrier one, which is quite rare. I think only
Buchla built one besides Serge & Rex.

On the other hand the nature of the effect is that a sine carrier
delivers the more subtle, less drastic sounds

> 1-I've never own a modular phaser, would I be able to get similar
> effects with the serge dual Phaser? can someone that have both compare
> the similarities and differences?

Well they are not very similar. A phaser is a series of all-pass
filters that leave notches in the sound when mixed with a dry signal.

As a note, I don't have a Serge Phaser so I don't know how relatively
deep sounding it is.

The Serge module gives you two independent phasers each with a rare
tap out at a different point that is less phase changed than the
final output for feedback potential and stereo differences. So the
modular aspect lets you modulate the phase change with something
external unlike say a pedal phaser, which usually has very limited
modulation sources and no ability to sync up with the same modulation
source as something else.

In comparison Doepfer has a really wild (though not initially as
deep sounding as some) vactrol based phaser with tap points and pots
on every stage. In other words, rather space consuming but very
thoroughly patched out.

Neither Serge module has a dedicated feedback path but that's really
not a minus in that you have more options in creating your own.

Nick

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